Reflections on my beliefs (Atheism, Agnosticism, Deism, Pantheism). from Paul Ross Fletcher's blog

If I am going to be honest about my beliefs, I'd have to say that I'm technically an Atheist, in that I that I don't actively believe in the existence of any gods, in the traditional western sense of the term. But I am also technically an Agnostic, in that I also don't know for certain that there are no gods. However, I do also have both Deist and Pantheistic leanings in that while I do not believe in the existence of any gods, I am open to the possibility of an original cause, a Prime mover, whose only function was to be the original spark/causality of existence, but which does not have any interaction with mankind through divine intervention, or prophetic revelation (Deism). And my concept of what god or gods that may exist, is one in the same with the concept of nature, or the universe (Pantheism). 


Maybe I think about this stuff too much, but there it is. 


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Shawn
Oct 3 '16
So let me make sure I understand. You're smart enough not to assume without proof in either direction, but your logical assumption is something had to get the shabang going?
Paul Ross Fletcher Member
Oct 3 '16
More like I am open to other ideas, not that I am assuming anything.
Shawn
Oct 3 '16
How so?
Paul Ross Fletcher Member
Oct 4 '16
Well I am not assuming that there is a Prime mover, I am just open to the possibility that there may be one. Which means I am not a rigid atheist. And when contemplating the possibilities of what a God that may exist is, I see it as one with the concept of nature and the universe, as opposed to a personal deity. I try to based my opinions that can not be proven either way on what we can observe about the universe. So for instance, the notion of an all powerful loving God is inconsistent with a seemingly cruel natured world, death disease, suffering and so on, does not seem compatible with the notion of a loving God. However, if you view god(s) as the very universe or nature itself, than the ways of the cosmos are explain in conjunction with that notion of god(s). God is nature...I can see that. Though you could never test that hypothesis, so it is it is only philosophical.Well I am not assuming that there is a Prime mover, I am just open to the possibility that there may be one. Which means I am not a rigid atheist. And when contemplating the possibilities of what a Go...See more
Shawn
Oct 5 '16
I have a follow up coming for your esponse as a whole, but I have to ask, wouldn't not assuming there is a god yet being open to the possibility (essentially knowing you don't know), wouldn't that be agnosticism?
Shawn
Oct 5 '16
“I try to based my opinions that can not be proven either way on what we can observe about the universe.”

No you don't. We can observe this from your example below...

“So for instance, the notion of an all powerful loving God is inconsistent with a seemingly cruel natured world, death disease, suffering and so on, does not seem compatible with the notion of a loving God.”

First of all you repeated yourself as if you wrote the last part of your sentence having forgotten that's what you said in the first part. It's kind of got a structure like AA BB AA.

“So for instance, the notion of an all powerful loving God is inconsistent with what appears to me to be a cruel natured world which includes within it death, disease, suffering and so on.”

That simplification aside, note your adjectives. “inconsistent” and “incompatible” All you're really saying is the idea of a loving god doesn't fit in with what appears to be true to you, thus, you are reasoning from ideas, which makes you a person of reason, not empiricism or evidence. They aren't mutually exclusive, but your statement is that the world seems to have a cruel nature, not that it does. It is something you've reasoned is possibly true, based on vague ideas about death, disease, suffering and so on.

The Openness to Experience is strong with this one. :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/...enness_to_experience

Nice to meet you.
“I try to based my opinions that can not be proven either way on what we can observe about the universe.”

No you don't. We can observe this from your example below...

“So...See more
Paul Ross Fletcher Member
Oct 5 '16
My position that nature is cruel and God is not all loving comes in part after years of contemplating Roman Catholic dogma. But I invoke the words of Stephen Fry on this issue. “Yes, the world is very splendid but it also has in it insects whose whole lifecycle is to burrow into the eyes of children and make them blind. They eat outwards from the eyes. Why? Why did you do that to us? You could easily have made a creation in which that didn’t exist. It is simply not acceptable.

“It’s perfectly apparent that he is monstrous. Utterly monstrous and deserves no respect whatsoever. The moment you banish him, life becomes simpler, purer, cleaner, more worth living in my opinion.”
My position that nature is cruel and God is not all loving comes in part after years of contemplating Roman Catholic dogma. But I invoke the words of Stephen Fry on this issue. “Yes, the world is very...See more
Paul Ross Fletcher Member
Oct 5 '16
But it is a deep philosophical and theological question that people have been trying to answer for centuries. That is, if God is all loving, why does he allow suffering? I'm not the first, nor will I be the last to chime in on this. There is a story, it may be apocryphal, but it is potent either way, of a quote that was carved on a wall of a concentration camp "If there is a God, He will have to beg for my forgiveness".But it is a deep philosophical and theological question that people have been trying to answer for centuries. That is, if God is all loving, why does he allow suffering? I'm not the first, nor will I ...See more
Shawn
Oct 5 '16
Here's my take. People consider this because they fail to think for themselves. Nonody comes up with the all-loving god bit on their own, they get the idea from someone else. It's more interesting to me to learn why people believe the things they do, than to take on someone else's idea.Here's my take. People consider this because they fail to think for themselves. Nonody comes up with the all-loving god bit on their own, they get the idea from someone else. It's more interesting to ...See more
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