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What it's all come to from AK's blog

An hour long conversation with people who believe that truth is somehow deeper than fact and/or vice-versa. 


*was Tiny Chat ever good? and why??? I've checked it out enough to where I'm pretty sure now that it's basically meetings for people who haven't yet quit their lonely heart substance of choice. Sort of the opposite of AA. I have nothing in common with these people. I've tried, people. You're on your own, and probably the better for it.


Anyway, the discussion being that truth and fact are somehow decoupled. That one or the other is somehow "deeper"


Just one example where a fact was not true or a truth was not fact so that I might be able to meet them 1/2 way is what I was aiming for. I'd like to see that rare beast to examine. Who wouldn't? But they couldn't. I was being "too aggressive"...


Sure, I know a lot of people who "believe" and would have everyone else believe there is a difference between truth and fact. These people are crazy and not worth working with at all. They live in their own little worlds.


I mean, why would anyone seek out a difference between a fact and a truth unless to somehow find a way to be right while knowing themselves wrong? I see no other purpose for it. 


Is it too much ask? To give me just one example of something that is true that is not factual, or something that is factual that is not true? 


And they defer to "Truth with a capital T" - as if capitalizing a word has ever changed its meaning in the history of ever. 


Fuuuck. That. Garbage. 


That's the womb of weasel words and charlatans. And "I'm" hostile for somehow "not" kowtowing to the notion that "we all have our own truths". 


No.


We don't have our "own truths". 


What we have there are the lies that we've decided are better to live with and believe that we call "Truths-with-a-capital-T" to help us sleep better at night. 


Useful inaccuracies. 


Noble lies is what they are at best. Lies, just the same. It's not an "alternate truth".


At least own-up to that much. I can respect that. Say that, then you are speaking my language. 


Don't expect the world around you to warm-up to why you think your delusions are true. Don't equivocate right and wrong with truth and falsehood. If you're going to deceive yourself and others, do so knowingly and willingly. 


Facts are truths. 

Truths are facts. 

No fact isn't true. 

No truth isn't fact. 


If I'm missing something, please clue me in. I'm all ears, people. What am I missing: In what meaningful and intelligible way are facts and the truth different? When are they ever in contradiction to one another? Never! Facts lead to the truth. Truth affirms the facts. 


Show me otherwise. Surprise me.


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Anna
Nov 27 '18
I often heard from fellow Christians that God is the truth, that Jesus is the truth and out of all the religions in the world only Christianity can lead one to the truth. It makes me scratch my head because ffs if nobody has ever seen God, then all they have are their imaginings of God. So how are they so sure their imaginings are somehow more accurate than other visions of divinity? People often mistake their beliefs for the truth.I often heard from fellow Christians that God is the truth, that Jesus is the truth and out of all the religions in the world only Christianity can lead one to the truth. It makes me scratch my head b...See more
Anna
Nov 27 '18
I also had a discussion with an ONA woman who claimed there are many truths. To support her argument she gave the examples of various philosophers, each of them interpreting the reality differently. When she heard that these are only interpretations, she insisted that everyone has their own truth. I sometimes think that the more we read and the more we philosophise, the more stupid we become. It's as if we left the down to earth world, and moved to the level of abstraction and absurdity. It's as if our brain couldn't process all this philosophical crap it gets bombarded with once we lose touch with the cold reality.I also had a discussion with an ONA woman who claimed there are many truths. To support her argument she gave the examples of various philosophers, each of them interpreting the reality differently. W...See more
Baphomets
Nov 27 '18
So the inclination of the delusional to their"own truths" is because they can remove facts from the equation and be oblivious. Which also goes to show that the delusional are lacking knowledge and the desire to know. If we can believe what we believe to be true, nothing else matters and no questions asked.So the inclination of the delusional to their"own truths" is because they can remove facts from the equation and be oblivious. Which also goes to show that the delusional are lacking knowled...See more
Baphomets
Nov 27 '18
This is similar to approaches in education. The goal is to squash misconceptions by having learners relearn by discovering firsthand the facts about something versus merely hearing or reading about it. Also - if one never wonders and asks questions, knowledge may never be found. So these so-called truths are actually misconceptions of the ill-informed, passive, non-inquiry mind. Merely delusions.This is similar to approaches in education. The goal is to squash misconceptions by having learners relearn by discovering firsthand the facts about something versus merely hearing or reading about it...See more
Brother Shamus
Nov 27 '18
Yes, and now you have spent three post saying people are myopic. What about pseudointellectual?
AK
Nov 27 '18
Psuedo-intellectual is a made up word that fell out of favor in 2015. Edit: it's pretentious, and while it does serve as a pejorative for a certain type, it's been observed that it does more harm to those who employ it. (i.e. my calling one a psuedo-intellectual implies that I, somehow, am a gentleman and scholar of a higher caliber - rendering me a pompous-ass - one takes 5 damage points to issue 2. The net cost-to-damage ratio in invoking that term is never positive) "you're wrong, bitch! and here's exactly why" is most profitable... with the well placed "show me your tits" or "kill yourself" coming in close second and third.Psuedo-intellectual is a made up word that fell out of favor in 2015. Edit: it's pretentious, and while it does serve as a pejorative for a certain type, it's been observed that it does more harm to t...See more
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AK
Nov 27 '18
@Anna. Muslims also assert this: God is truth. I think if they were to leave it at that, I'd have a hard time disagreeing. It's taking those steps-too-far by way of "Jesus is the truth and only Christianity can lead to the truth" that warrant they slow their roll. The notion that "we all have our own truths" is just word games. What we have are our own biases and preferences: what we'd "like" to believe. Alternatively, there are things that are just plain more effective to believe to be true despite not really knowing one way or another. For example: I believe that today will not be my last day on earth. I have no way of knowing this one way or another, it could be proven to be true or false - time will tell. Believing this does not make it "my truth". It makes it a belief. A belief is that which one acts upon *as if* true. That doesn't make a "personal truth" - it's what it always was "a belief". What we're brushing up against is "double-speak", and I guess one could say that gets me riled up! It's a pet-peeve. It triggers me.

In a sense, stating things like the truth is just "whatever", just indicates to me a sort of deeply-embedded refusal to live in reality. A sort of justification of escapism. "I reject your reality and substitute my own" (never have more smack-upside-the-head-worthy words have been uttered) - there aren't many truths. There is one truth, and many ways to misrepresent or misinterpret it.

@Baphzies. Well-put. That seems to be the long and short of it. They call them "personal truths" because it's less damaging to the ego to see them for what they are: beliefs. They're so delusional that they can't seem to sort-out belief from reality.
'Seems to be a theme among the religiously-minded. I don't mind the religiously-minded who am I to say what one ought or ought not believe in, but what this sort of mentality does to one's integrity - the mentality that truth is plastic and malleable - do they not see the damage? Who would work-with, much less trust, a person whose ethos revolves around truth being subjective? One would be inclined to ask "ok, when is it subjective? when it is convenient for you? I don't run on your clock nor do I live in your head."

*tangent: I have no books to sell or theories to peddle, but insofar as I have been able to parse "Satanism" it's essentially that it exalts the real above the ideal: the corporeal above the spiritual. All things such as will-to-power, the lewd and lascivious, reconsidering social norms, etc stem as a natural consequence of adhering to a morality centered around the physical - a "religion" (if you can call it that) of seeing the world as-is, and not as one would wish to believe it so. What success in the here and now requires, not in some after-life or by the standards of some abstract morality.

w/r/t to the approach to education, that is incredibly important. Specifically when it comes to the world as it is presented in social media. i.e. you'd think we're on the verge of a race-war if you were to follow the news and never leave your house. Go outside, and it's basically a lot of niggers, spics, and maybe a few honkies like myself - and ya' know what? the city I live in is in the top 10 cities with the highest murder rates per-capita in the country. Guess what? It's mostly - neigh - entirely black on black and spic on spic. If you're known within the neighborhood you actually live in, "sup niggers" is not the capital offence it's made out to be. The point being, there's a huge discrepancy between one's back yard and the world as presented on the interwebs. One would see this quite plainly if they bothered to unplug every so often and exist in the world for a bit.

The more susceptible we are to accepting facts as presented without further investigation - especially if these facts are presented with the pretext of making one feel informed-and-therefor-safe - the further from truth we can be lead.

Artificially inserted ambiguity is another issue: the whole "69" issue face-palm-of-a-world-view "just because it looks like a 6 to me and a 9 to you, depending on where we're standing, doesn't mean we can't be both right"... "lol! No! One of you two is either standing upside-down or dyslexic, you drug-addled weirdO's."

Which leads me to wonder if maybe "tolerance" fosters stupidity.
@Anna. Muslims also assert this: God is truth. I think if they were to leave it at that, I'd have a hard time disagreeing. It's taking those steps-too-far by way of "Jesus is the truth and only C...See more
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Baphomets
Nov 27 '18
@AK. Next blog: does tolerance foster stupidy?
AK
Nov 27 '18
@Baphomets. You're giving me the vapors. *swoons* Care to take the lead on this one, my dear?
Drugs Delaney NUTZ
Nov 27 '18
Opie that shit and make it profound.
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