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Merc Feb 16 '17

In this day and age of fairly easy self publishing, the internet and how it's not too difficult to create your own website if you know how, and even more easily to create a Facebook group, there seems to be countless Satanic Organisations. Off the top of my head, I can think ok:

The Church of Satan (Obviously)

The First Satanic Church

The Satanic Temple

The Temple of Set

The Cathedral of Satan

The Cathedral of the Black Goat

Ordo Templi Orientis

Order of Nine Angels

The Temple of the Black Light

There's quite a few others that I've seen or heard about while clicking around on the internet and Facebook that I can't remember the names of. I would imagine there's also countless others that I've never seen or heard about.
How does everyone feel about this? Do you think it's a good thing, a bad thing, or are you completely indifferent? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. 

The Forum post is edited by Merc Feb 16 '17
Merc Feb 16 '17
Personally, I feel it is a bad thing. It seems to just muddy the waters and devalue Satanism as a whole. 

I could quite easily decide that, after reading The Satanic Bible, I agree with 95% of it. However, rather than just admitting that while I agree with Satanism for the most part, but am not really a Satanist, I could quite easily create my own organisation and give it a similar sounding name to CoS, "The Satanic Order," or something similar and claim to be the High Priest. My version of Satanism is almost exactly like LaVayan Satanism, but with a few minor tweeks to fit my personal views on certain topics. I then create a Facebook page and/or a website where I publish my own essays and things. Which basically reflect LaVey, but not 100% identical.

If I was to do that, would I be a legitimate Satanist? Or would I just be someone who agrees with LaVey for the most part, but not entirely and wanted for whatever reason to still identify as a Satanist, despite not fully agreeing with it? 

Merc Feb 17 '17
I see your point, but it doesn't address my question.

As for Satanism being a free thinking religion, to what extent does do you feel that means you can change things and still keep calling Satanism?

Merc Feb 18 '17
I don't mean to sound rude or blunt, but your post didn't address my question because I asked a specific question and your post didn't answer it. 

I also asked to what extent you felt that one can change things to suit their personal agenda and continue to identify as a Satanist?

Merc Feb 18 '17
I do agree that Satanists are born and not made, which was something that Anton LaVey was very adamant about also. However, when he said that, I believe he was referring to people reading The Satanic Bible and realising that that's how they already think and feel etc and then realise that they have always been a Satanist. Rather, than reading it and deciding to convert to Satanism and changing how they think or feel in order to be in line with his philosophy.

My point that all these multiple Satanic organisations with varying degree of similarities and differences between with LaVey and The Satanic Bible seem to just pale imitations with certain points changed to suit the founder's own agenda.  

Merc Feb 18 '17
That's an interesting opinion.

Does anyone else have anything to say on the subject?

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Troll Jun 13 '18

Groups are just like crutches. They help initially for people to get momentum and become established in their re-embedment as part of the Great Martyrdom Cult. After that they are more predatory upon individuals.


> If I was to do {publish, etc....}, would I be a legitimate Satanist? ....

All Satanists who are not stupidly self-destructive and operating against their own values are worthwhile, and therefore legitimate.

> ...to what extent do you feel that means you can change things

> and still keep calling Satanism?

To the extent that it serves me, and, for my own purposes (ones which i find are legitimate), as long as it keys to particular elements of the subversion ideologies taught by Christians and Muslims, re-embedding them into something that serves me and those i care about.

> ...identify as a Satanist?

There is no central Satanic authority. Do as you please. Ignore all others.

Troll Towelhead, Grand Mufti of Satanism

The Forum post is edited by Troll Jun 13 '18
Merc Jul 10 '18
Okay, some interesting replies here, but gone a bit off topic towards the end. 

For example, if I was to read The Satanic Bible and other works by LaVey and Gilmore etc and agree 100% with all of it except one minor point. Say for example, the rule that says "Never harm non-human animals unless you're attacked or for your food." I'm a vegetarian and I decide that you should never harm animals unless you're attacked, but for your food isn't sufficient justification for harming an animal. 

However, I still want to call myself a Satanist, despite disagreeing with this one fairly small thing. So I start my own Satanic organisation and call it "The Satanic Order" and appoint myself the high priest. Completely separate from The Church of Satan and other existing organisations.

In this scenario am I:

1) A perfectly legitimate Satanic High Priest

2) A regular LaVeyan CoS Satanist with too much of an ego

3) A deluded egomaniac who's not a Satanist at all

4) Something else entirely? 

Not interested in hearing what people think of LaVey and/or Gilmore at this stage, just curious what people think of that particular scenario.

Merc Jul 10 '18
Yes, I understand what that rule means and that it's easy to parse and to fit it around one's personal values. 

I used it simply as an example of changing something very minor within the CoS and copying everything else exactly and using that minor change to merit starting my own organisation and in order to give myself a title or a position of authority within that organisation. Also in order to pose the question that if someone was to do that, would it make them one of the four things mentioned in my previous post. 

Merc Jul 10 '18
Which leads to me to follow up question, how different is it acceptable to make your organisation and still justifiably refer to it as Satanism? Just curious about people's personal opinions. 

Just to be clear, in case I wasn't before, I'm not actually planning on starting my own organisation with any degree of similarity or difference from the CoS. I was just curious because there's so many organisations around about and I wondered what others thought about this and that it may start an interesting debate. 

Merc Jul 10 '18
Seems as though we are more or less in agreement on this matter then. 
Anna Jul 10 '18
If you ever establish your own order and call yourself a high priest or whatever, you will be a leader of an organization you yourself created, nothing more, nothing less. Whether this is legitimate is a matter of an individual and subjective interpretation.

If you want to affiliate yourself with an existing organization of your choice, go for it. There is nothing inherently wrong with joining a group as long as you have a healthy distance to it. All organizations, rituals and titles are in themselves meaningless but they sometimes might serve as tools for self-development. Or they can make you blind. It depends. Nothing is more eye opening than disillusionment. It can serve you well in the long run.
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