There Are Two Paths You Can Go Down? | Forum

Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment May 8 '18
The mindfuck is herein. There are two schools of LHP apprehension. And they don't really get along. Yet, they seem to carry elements of each other and be contradictory at the same time.

The RHP is grain.  Whatever that grain is. All LHP doers go against that grain in one form or another. 
But here is where I think they differ. 

The Ghandi vs. The Guerrilla 

The Ghandi

There are many whose grain is the wider behavior of society. Which one might see as backstabbing, hostile, cliquey, or any other of the personally abhored traits of social human behavior.. In mastering Satan you are mastering those behaviors, and "transcending their influence".  They fight by passively resistant example.

"My Satanism doesn't engage in your petty squabbles, which shows how plugged in you really are." 

 In this apprehension passive behavior (not caring) becomes their way to go against and oppose by being the change they want to see.

They are of the school: When you go against on point, you're still controlled by the opposition.


The Guerrilla

The person with the more confrontational approach does not care if they are motivated by the course of the other, as these are exclusively matters of personal satisfaction derived from fighting. These tend towards "trollish" behavior. They are more prone to purposely exhibiting obscenity as their version of transcendence. Instead of being apart they choose "whatever THEY are not".  Direct engagement of a death-wish prone variety trumps worrying about whether or not they are ubermensch enough in the eyes of anyone.  Which bizarrely carries elements of the other conception. 

The Guerrilla directly engages the status quo, not to change it, but for the personal satisfaction of fighting it.  Even if it's being racist because every when else wants YOU to hold hands.

They are of the school: Don't tread on me


That's my opinion on the same old topic. 


Is either one more authentic than the other? 


* Neither of these obstencibly hold any value to be true. 


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Anna
Anna May 9 '18
Passive resistance is nothing else than a variation of "Love thy enemy, turn another cheek" doctrine. It precludes any form of violence, even in self-defense. Basically, if the enemy attacks you, you should take the beating. If they kill you, rape your wife and burn your fucking house down, tough luck. But, at least you didn't give in to hatred.


Although passive resistance might work in democratic or mild authoritarian systems, it would for sure prove self-destructive in tough and rigid totalitarian regimes, where the dictators aim to totally eliminate the opposition. If the prevailing ideology is "You're either with us or against us", then refraining from supporting those in power automatically marks you as their enemy.


That's why it's bullshit. Any sort of compromise requires mutual agreement. You can't stay peaceful if your opponent aims for the confrontation unless you're willing to be a victim.


Now, going out of your way to pointlessly resist something for the mere sake of resisting something is a different cup of tea. I could sit down in the middle of the street and protest against the patriarchy forcing women to wear high-heeled shoes. Only... nobody is forcing me to wear high-heeled shoes. So what am I protesting against?


I fail to see what the examples you gave have in common with the LHP.

Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment May 9 '18

Well I have found I am alone when I say the core (in the case of the latter example) is represented by the Lucifer archetype, which centers around personal principle and will of the individual... How quick they are willing to be cast down regardless of where self interest resides..  But don't listen to me, you are probably right when you say:


"I fail to see what the examples you gave have in common with the LHP."



The Forum post is edited by Dark Enlightenment May 9 '18
OldCrown
OldCrown Feb 23

Three answers on this:


1) One path is aggressively confident, the other is confidently aggressive. One path leans defensively, the other offensively. The two are at odds, in that the answer lies directly in the middle. Neither is willing to accept they might be wrong and change their world view. The churning continues trying to find 'an' answer, when 'the' answer takes too much work to accept.. The answer is in the liminal spaces we unconsciously avoid. Adjusting your eyes to the light and stepping into it only adds fidelity and definition to the shadow.  


2) Socially, once your spells go black the RHP don't want you back... (go ahead and roll your eyes.. you know it's funny, and true.)


3) Only two paths? Lol, hold my beer I gotta go make some popcorn.

Anna
Anna Feb 25

Quote from OldCrown

One path is aggressively confident, the other is confidently aggressive. One path leans defensively, the other offensively. The two are at odds, in that the answer lies directly in the middle. Neither is willing to accept they might be wrong and change their world view. The churning continues trying to find 'an' answer, when 'the' answer takes too much work to accept..

 These are the extremes. One is some positive thinking bullshit. There is plenty of it online but I'm sure, if you have some money to spare, they teach it on some amateur psychology, personal development courses. The other is plunging into the depths of insanity. One is all about being a pussy, the other is all about being a psycho of "I can only bang my head against the wall" variety. Neither works in real life. But this is a forum, you know... 
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Dark Enlightenment
Yeah, I ripped this off from Jason King.  


He called it The Buddha and The Adversary, and probably explained it better. 


Called it the two most valid approaches. And centered between them was the satanic conundrum. 


But Anna is absolutely right, as was King, the latter is a dead-end and ends up against an immovable wall. So you gotta be cool with head injury. 


And in that case, when you cant change or do anything about the bullshit your own way, you now hold a default exaltation of serenity god bullshit right out of a prayer of accepting things you cannot change.  This situation-forced passivity is the downfall of many adversaries which cannot "let this aggression stand".  In my stolen opinion anyway. 


And the former in its extreme form is the type to sell anyone out to save their own ass.


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Anna
Anna Feb 26

Quote from Dark Enlightenment Yeah, I ripped this off from Jason King.  


He called it The Buddha and The Adversary, and probably explained it better. 


I haven't seen it. I can only refer to your argument. And it seems to me you've been advocating some rigidity in thinking and behavior, which might work in few extreme situations, like being interrogated or tortured, but doesn't work in the great majority of situations in daily life. 


The whole point is the ability of a bird to learn a new song vs habitually singing only the song it already knows. A real live thing vs the stuffed toy running on a battery. The latter gets tiresome after a while. In life it translates to modifying your behavior in such a way that you eliminate counter-productive or even self-destructive habits. That implies flexibility. What works in one situation might not work in another so the rigid behavior fails as it leaves no room for improvisation, let alone personal transformation. And by transformation, I don't mean some drastic and impossible change, like a bird becoming a whale or an elephant, only altering or updating one's repertoire so it doesn't get old, sentencing one to stagnation. 

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