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This general topic has come up frequently enough to where it's almost a sort of elephant in the room that I think only the more "seasoned" Satanists have given serious consideration to. 


There is no insignificant over-lap in those who subscribe to Satanism and those who are fully diagnosed as autistic. It's more than just a coincidence my favorite negro pointed out. It's also a topic that I think warrants real discussion, because if you spend any amount of time here or in any other similar forum in cyber space, you're going run into some fruit-loops. It's inevitable. You might even be one of them.


Quote-unquote aspergers definitely does abound - it's almost a given. "Satanism" attracts those who are "others" - it's a dog whistle for the alienated. While it can be argued that there is no real "sane" person in existence to begin with, pedantry aside Satanism does attract a predictably disproportionate number of "damaged goods" for lack of a better term. If that's something you don't know, well___ now you know. It's 100% crazy people and only 1.5% of those crazy people are crazy in a way that you can actually deal with realistically. Don't take my word for it - ask around - a lot of these people are just plain out of their skulls. It's sort of what you signed up for, though. Who in their right mind would attribute their beliefs and ideas to "Satan" ever!? What's the gain in that?


Why that is, is the stuff whatever the plural of thesis is are made of, and I hope someone writes one because that would make for a very interesting read. The point is, though, that Satanism cannot exist without a certain level of castigation. It comes with the territory. Very few quote-unquote Satanists are playing with a full deck to begin with - and that's not always a bad thing except for when it is. 


There's a grain of desert sand that prompted the pearl - and that grain of sand is one among countless beneath which pharaohs are buried and temptations uttered - the process by which that became a pearl in the first place spins-off to all sorts of divergent fodder for speculation. The "why" to the "why you are a Satanist" - it's unutterable to those who actually understand it, and incomprehensible to those who, for some perverse reason, "need" it to describe who they are and where they fit in the world. 


That's what it all boils down to: attempts at making sense of the world, self, and how the two relate - that's what religion and philosophy IS - that's their function. In that respect any is just as good as any other for all anyone really knows. It's just there to answer questions there aren't any real answers for. Questions that you'll drive yourself insane truly considering - you don't actually want to stare directly at the sun, it's a terrible idea. It always has been. Illuminating principalities are blinding. These religions and philosophies exist to prevent the inevitable catastrophe that awaits anyone who thinks otherwise and really needs to think they know how the watch works. 


A "Satanist" has that curiosity - they need to know how it works at whatever the cost. So too does the Autist. The world doesn't make sense to them when things are out of place, and it's a world in which things almost never really make sense or fit into neat or organized categories. It's complicated and chaotic - and both the Satanist and Autist alike demand answers for this. They can't live without them. 


"satan" as an archetypal thing just represents the "glitch" the anomaly - the answer to the problem of evil - the fly in god's ointment - the dev/null that sane people use as a pointer to that cosmic influence that lays waste to the best laid plans of mice and lesser creatures. 


The Satanist relishes this. They appreciate this sort of primordial wisdom. 


The autist can't live in a world that allows for such things. Unpredictability fucks with their heads. Like what "Satanism" promotes: the idea that man is just an animal - the autist cannot help but to think like an animal and does not understand that they do think like animals - they have no concept of the higher cognitive abilities I take for granted. There's no frame of reference.  And I think that's part of where the over-lap stems from. They have the cognitive abilities of an animal, and the reasoning to match. That's why it is a handicap, and a crippling one at that. Like dogs they'll fetch the imaginary stick if you pretend to throw it convincingly enough. 


An autist needs to categorize the world - anomalies disturb them and Satan is the archetypal anomaly. What they're exceedingly good at is acquiring information - even compulsively. And they do this with respect to obscure topics that point at incredibly complex issues for which there is no clear-cut "whys" for. It is compulsive. While they acquire mounds and mounds of information, primarily to sate some strange compulsion that has to do with making sense of the world - they are handicapped in that they think like animals and just don't know how to synthesize new ideas or concepts from the facts they have. They don't have that wiring - their only concern is to make order from chaos, and they do this as compulsively as I've used the word compulsively in this post. They're rule-driven, but don't know how to manipulate the rules they are aware of in any sort of intelligent or meaningful way. They're actually sub-human. Defective. They can categorize things quite efficiently - but that's what we invented computers for - otherwise they are impotent as concerns matters of synthesis and observably don't actually "go" anywhere with their ideas. They play with dolls and Ouija boards. They exist in this sort of perpetual stasis that is beyond them to so much as acknowledge much less move past. This is very likely why they're so predictably fixated on gods and pantheons long forgotten. They are incapable of generating anything "new". Newness and novelty frighten them. 


That's where the Satanist and they are at irreconcilable odds.  Both are capable of seeing that the world is incredibly chaotic / arbitrary (read: godless) and want to know the rules or patterns not so much to make sense of it (as an autist needs to) but the satanist desires to use this to some other ends - to manipulate it - rather than to make sense and file it away. 


And I think that's the best way I know how to explain the over-lap. It starts with a willingness to acknowledge that the universe is chaos - happenstance. The autist cannot accept this - for them there has to be an order to it and they'll be damned if they don't find it. The autist requires order. The satanist, however, works with the same premise but would rather understand the reasons for which there is no "order" and in turn put that understanding to good use and generate new ideas and novel experiences from even the most unlikely of sources. 

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Dark Enlightenment
Autism is a leap in evolution (ability) prematurely..


In my unsubstantiated opinion that's your Ubermencshe. As of now its like trying to run a game with a GHz requirement on a 486.  Noise at best, total shutdown likely.


On to the specific topic.


People on the spectrum tend to be both less and more ruled by emotions simultaneously. Empathy is like feedback internally. They might be more receptive, but a fucked up OS processes into selfish oblivion or unfiltered chaos. 


The higher functioning they are the more like Sheldon on The Big Bang Theory they become. The preference for data is likely because it is retained more readily than other input. That also goes for problem solving and approaching unknowns.  Autistic people are for the most part faithless. There needs to be something measurable, otherwise it is an invalid input the processor can't read. 


Definitely a more mechanical type of person. 


Satanism seems natural if they're not still driving really slow in the driveway. 

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AK Aug 3
Is it, though? Have you ever actually tried to hold a conversation with some who legitimately has autism? Even at the functional end of the spectrum they're broke. Disabled. They don't understand humor or nuance - sarcasm, for example - only quantifiable things have any real meaning to them. And it's not like they deliberately disregard the qualifiable as some sort of life choice like one might - they just don't know what to do with that sort of input. It's lost to them. Over their heads. 


They're great at retaining information, but they have no idea what to do with that information. I can assure you of that. They have 0 capacity for synthesis - try it out, I promise you you'll get really interesting results. They are closer to computers than they are people - and that's not good thing - because computers are utterly retarded. They'll do what ever you tell them to it's just a matter of what buttons to push. Cognitively, they're almost pre-literate. A step back. 

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Dark Enlightenment

Have you ever actually tried to hold a conversation with some who legitimately has autism?


Worked with one at a military commissry. The best worker they had. Motherfucker picked up on shit on a level one could call psychic. He knew when people weren't coming back. Knew what "bad things" were happening. He had the whole internal monologue thing going. It wouldn't surprise me if it was a full internal conversation... Some don't need the LSD to get there.  

Strangely, I have been diagnosed (long story) as being on the spectrum. I think I have humor and understand subtlety and nuance.  What I can't do is affirmatively recognize a face unless I have a side by side comparison, or which determine facial expression goes with which emotion beyond a smile as happy and a frown as anger. 



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AK Aug 3
Yeah I don't think that's autism. Prosopagnosia. I thought I struggled with that for a solid 5 years. It was a real mind fuck for a long time - then I realized that all it was was that I just didn't care enough to remember what their faces looked like to begin with. I just never bothered to register it. Additionally, there are a lot of minorities that live in my vicinity. They all look the same. It fell into the category of things about them that were as meaningless to me as style of shoes they were wearing. 


Incidentally, you don't strike me as anywhere on the spectrum. Whatever disorder you do have is probably much cooler. 


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So change of topic: my faovrite pet theory is that it is impossible to flip through the DSM whatever-version-they're-on-now without finding a quote-unquote disorder that totally encapsulates you. (as-in I think might actually be terrified of someone who can go through every page of that thing and just shrug and say "none of this applies to me" I can't even fathom what such a person would be like - they'd either be startlingly deluded or utterly foreign to me... I'd almost go so far as to say that such a person has no "soul") 


Which one is it that you think best describes you and why?

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Dark Enlightenment
To be candid:


The "symptoms" which prompted that suggestion from my doctor were mild but include the following since preschool.


• A need for repetitious motion to calm down.

• Hitting my head (exactly like Dustin Hoffman playing Kim Peak) when overloaded or frustrated.  It must be hilarious to witness.

• Many others I could list.


On to the topic switch. 


I have almost every single personality disorder except for "subpersonality" according to DSM.  The one that encompasses my essence most is "Opposition Defiant Disorder". 




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AK Aug 4
I would actually tend to agree with thrust of what you're saying here. Satanism is, when applied correctly, more of a personality "dis"order than a religion or philosophy. I think there's value in expounding upon that - certainly more so than what these other escapist kooks are up to. Which is why implicitly I'm like "DE gets carte blanche, basically" you actually "grok" it - whatever "it" is. Paradoxically I think that's the only sane approach to "Satanism" - it basically is a personality "dis"order unto itself, or at least a symptom of one. One that certain types - for however few and far between they are - manage to make use of. 
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Now for me, I think "schizotypal" (edit: ok, a lot of it doesn't actually apply - the strange beliefs part is accurate, the ability to form meaningful relationships is way off-base if you're my friend, lover, family, or foe you're stuck with me for life - whether or not that is a good thing is totally out of my jurisdiction) except that I understand that it is "myth" and that myth is this sort of in-between way of seeing the world that is neither true nor false yet is meaningful in this sort of way that you either "get" or don't. There's truth and then there's meaning, and I'm a bigger fan of the latter. It's just how I'm wired. Falsehoods that produce meaningful results are totally acceptable to me. That is what by definition makes a heretic. Is that sort of thinking a "disorder"?... yeah, probably. 


i.e. I could talk at length about astral projection or the goetia and things of that nature but I am convinced that people who do actually go so far as to talk about that sort of thing are insane. And I think that they are insane because they talk about it. They lack circumspection. I cringe every time I read their posts. I actually feel embarrassed for them - because if it is legitimate, well___ it's intimate. it's just not the sort of thing I wear on my sleeve  - it's just not who I am. It actually creeps me out that anyone would do that. It's, in this weirdly abstract way, perverse. Spiritualporn. I think otherwise that astral projection, invocation and evocation is basically normal and nothing to really write home about. It's as worth discussing as bowel movements and those who make it a point to write books about that sort of thing are___ well___ offputting to say the least.

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Anna
Anna Aug 4
I didn't have an opportunity to either work or socialize with autistic people so I can't really say how the conversation with them might look like. I work with the folks with dementia but that's a different cup of tea although they also live in their own world.

I think that the characteristics you described here are... human. The human brain works by means of categorization, generalization, stereotyping and connecting the dots. If we imagine the reality as a puzzle, then the humans with their, let's not kid ourselves, fallible senses and intellects, have only a few of its pieces. The rest of the pieces of that puzzle are missing. However, the human brain is still trying to put those pieces together to form a coherent picture. As a result, we have a multitude of religions, philosophies and more or less silly movements. Generally, we tend to oversimplify things we have too little knowledge of. I wouldn't be so sure of the world being so chaotic. It's rather the problem with the human brain being unable to grasp it.

When it comes to online communication, some crucial elements of the basic social interaction, like facial expressions and a tone of voice, are missing, especially in the forum, which is only in a written form. So some nuances, like irony, sarcasm or humor, can indeed be misunderstood.
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AK Aug 4
would you like me to call you? 
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