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Anna
Anna Nov 5 '18
This article is fun:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/why-being-bullied-haunts-more-022559415.html

Am I missing something? When I was a kid, there was no talk about bullying. When other kids teased you, you either insulted them back or ignored the motherfuckers. I don't recall any acts of physical violence. That was prohibited. But calling each other names not so much.

Now there seems to be a demand for support groups for the victims and survivors. Are children now more cruel than they used to be years ago? Or is it mere fostering of the victim mentality? Should adults react when children fight each other, either physically or verbally, or just let them resolve the issue among themselves? Doesn't protecting the weak make them even more fragile?
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Brother Shamus
Brother Shamus Nov 5 '18
Zero Tolerance and mandatory minimum suspensions for offenders, for our kid's kids. 


Time was the punishment for kids being kids was doled out to whomever lost the fight.  

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AK
AK Nov 5 '18
“Because it’s fun,” she said flatly. “It’s funny! And I like it.” In contrast to the scientific explanations for cruel behavior that predominate in contemporary society, that experience reified my existing belief in the demonic. The act of tormenting someone for one’s own gratification is evil. It was easier to imagine my sexual assailant as a confused and wounded soul who made a tragic mistake than it was to extend that same consideration to my bullies.


^That is some retarded logic she's got going on there. I am certain that if she were to ask the person who molested her why he did it, the answer would be something along the lines of "Because it’s fun, it’s funny! And I like it." as well.


Anyway, children are as shitty today as they were since the dawn of humanity. I think what fosters the victim mentality are parents who insist asinine things such as "it's never ok to hit back" "tell a teacher" or "two wrongs don't make a right". I think children should be left to sort it out on their own unhindered by these untenable platitudes. 


Plenty of times, school mates of mine stated they wouldn't fight back because they'd only get into bigger trouble when they got home. I've always found that baffling. The general understanding was that I'd have to deal with whatever consequences came no matter if I was either being too aggressive or just plain standing up for myself, but on to those there would be no additionally penalties added for it at home.

Anna
Anna Nov 5 '18
Children are as shitty as adults. Why should they be any better? The problem is though that many adults still believe children are, or at least, should be innocent. That's some bullshit.

Those children who seem to be bullied aren't tolerated for a reason. I was kind of a nerd at school. I was pretty socially awkward, terribly shy and insecure so I was occasionally picked on. However, I was also one of the best students. There were only three of us. The rest of the kids were rather poor in nearly all school subjects and completely sucked at Maths. So they needed help every time there was some homework to be done or the test was coming. So they turned to me, they even came to my home. Generally, I was accepted, even defended. Some ass-kissing was involved too. From personal experience I know that even if your social skills are poor but you're intelligent, you can get by at school.

It's different if one is a downright retard. They lack social skills and they lack intellectual skills. So they have nothing to offer to the group. It's very important. To have something you can offer to others. Otherwise, why expect any consideration from them? It doesn't concern only children but also adults. All those skills can be worked on. You can't change your personality altogether but you can evolve and adapt. So if you're a teacher and see a disliked child, instead of forcing other children to pretend they like him or her, encourage him or her to adapt, to make some progress.

And as much as it must suck to be raped as a child, ffs, for how long can one dwell on the childhood traumas?
AK
AK Nov 7 '18
I'm glad you mentioned that: "It's different if one is a downright retard. They lack social skills and they lack intellectual skills. So they have nothing to offer to the group. It's very important."


Maybe, quite likely, the grim truth is that it is the bullied's fault. If you're going to stand-out as anomalous in a simultaneously hilarious and innocuous way, people are cruel - get used to. Perhaps this cruelty against the divergent works in a tribal sense the same way the immune system works. 


This is what we are by nature. 




Egalitarianism, individual "divine" sovereignty, all men being created equal; endowed with certain unalienable rights by their creator protects the abstraction that is western civilization. That it happens to protect the weak, tired, and poor is purely incidental - if not wildly ineffectual - when the teacher isn't watching. 

Seeker
Seeker Nov 16 '18
Quote from AnnaAre children now more cruel than they used to be years ago? 

I think yes because social media increase the 
vocabulary on children which makes them able to misuse their position as the innocent ones. I have heard people experiences children say like "if you do not let me play I will get your fired". There have also been cases when children falsely has claimed teachers to sexual abuse them because they did not liked them.



Anna
Anna Nov 16 '18
Well yes. But don't these new trends in children's behavior reflect attitudes of many adults? For example, the obsession with pedophiles. Come on, nowadays merely patting a child on the head (it doesn't have to be an ass) can be interpreted by sensitive and vigilant adults as a sign of perverse inclinations.
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Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Nov 16 '18

Quote from Seeker
Quote from AnnaAre children now more cruel than they used to be years ago? 

I think yes because social media increase the 
vocabulary on children which makes them able to misuse their position as the innocent ones. I have heard people experiences children say like "if you do not let me play I will get your fired". There have also been cases when children falsely has claimed teachers to sexual abuse them because they did not liked them.



The magical "M" word that makes the full growns disappear? Why would a kid lie or have a coerced/false memory?  "The eyebrows man touched me, Mommy." 


On the other hand....


 If literature, cartoons, or allegories have taught us anything it's that children will inevitably divide into factions and go to war when lacking direction. 


* Piggy dies in every scenario and culture prior to 1993. 

The Forum post is edited by Dark Enlightenment Nov 16 '18
Seeker
Seeker Nov 19 '18
Quote from Anna Well yes. But don't these new trends in children's behavior reflect attitudes of many adults? For example, the obsession with pedophiles. Come on, nowadays merely patting a child on the head (it doesn't have to be an ass) can be interpreted by sensitive and vigilant adults as a sign of perverse inclinations.

It's a mix between the modern society too much focus on pedophiles and 
child molesters and the fact that social media increase the vocabulary and intelligence of children. I once read about a scientific investigation that the intelligence on children increases during the use of computer and social media ind early age. That's why children are no longer innocent and the society have not learned to adapt to it. 
Anna
Anna Nov 19 '18
But is this because children have changed or the society on the whole became more liberalized and permissive?
Seeker
Seeker Nov 19 '18
Quote from Anna But is this because children have changed or the society on the whole became more liberalized and permissive?

Children have changed because of social media and the society have not 
followed or adapted the development. 
Anna
Anna Nov 19 '18
Yeah but technology is just a tool. I think that children reflect more or less and in somewhat grotesque manner the morals of the society they live in. And our society is becoming increasingly taboo-free. Or I should say that the old-fashioned taboos are replaced by the liberal political correctness. In the consumer oriented world, why should anyone respect teachers, for example? They are here to serve me, the child thinks, and whom did he take such an attitude from, if not from adults?
AK
AK Nov 19 '18
I'm going to have to agree with Anna on this one. When I was a lad, before we had the internet, we literally shot at each other with bb guns and/or threw rocks at one another... for fun. As-in that was the game. This wasn't even about "settling differences" or "squashing a legit grievance" or some such honorable thing like that. It was a thing we did for entertainment: pick teams and brutalize the other. The game just sort of ended when either someone got really hurt or we ran out of ammo and/or rocks.


If anything, social media has made children less harmful. Or maybe it has allowed the abstracting-out of the highly-entertaining venting of malice to the psychic realm. That's a possibility. A very likely one. they don't call it "making fun of" for nothing. It's fun to hurt people. As to why that is, who knows? But it is. I think the real issue is that no one wants to admit it.


Make no mistake about it, though, we're as shitty to one another as we always were since dia cero. Children are just closer to the default settings. Adults are only slightly better to the extent that they have been sufficiently socialized.



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Seeker
Seeker Nov 20 '18
Quote from Annawhy should anyone respect teachers, for example? 

They will respect adults if they were allowed to beat children. The fact that children are overprotected is the reason why they have no respect on adults whatever they are teachers or not. They are known as curling children. 
Anna
Anna Nov 21 '18
There were several cases of students beating up a teacher. It might be easy to hit a child, not that easy a grown ass teenager. Not to mention, you're outnumbered.
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T. Volt
T. Volt Jan 14

When I was a kid and there were group disagreements we did it the old fashioned way: Rock Fights

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