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T. Volt
T. Volt Dec 23 '18
Going your own way is difficult, and it means cutting through tundra in the wilderness that most people won't, who go the easy trail already stampeded on, one that who's destination is over the cliff of willing slavery to anyone but one's self, that is to say, marriage and plantation life.


No one said the devil's path, or work, was a joy ride.


*edited for unnecessary content, and further elaboration. Less drunk :)

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Seeker
Seeker Dec 25 '18
MGTOW is just the male version of feminists who accuses women for a lot of shit without no rational reason. Women naturally don't want a "bad guy" but a man who shows love to them but on the same time a man they can respect. Too many men in the western civilisation have no balls to give real counteraction to their wives or girlfriends, and females in nature are attracted to strong males who shows good abilities to adapt. 
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T. Volt
T. Volt Dec 25 '18

MGTOW is not the same, in any way shape or form, anything like feminism at all. Men have legit reasons for leaving women and plantation life. I suggest you go do your research and get some red-pill dosage.


I can tel you right now, also, that your argument that women don't like bad guys, is totally false. That is not their nature. Your second statement is more on point, is that there exists a great population of guys who aren't attractive to women. Regardless, the more destructive side of female nature has been escalated in recent times, and most are not trustworthy partners. Their behavior, the legal system that rewards their self destructive traits, as well as the socially detrimental things women vote for, such as bloated welfare state, sexual harassment laws, just to name a few things, have left men who see what's going on, no other choice except to leave the shit pile women have made.


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Seeker
Seeker Dec 25 '18
Quote from T. Volt

MGTOW is not the same, in any way shape or form, anything like feminism at all. Men have legit reasons for leaving women and plantation life. I suggest you go do your research and get some red-pill dosage.


I can tel you right now, also, that your argument that women don't like bad guys, is totally false. That is not their nature. Your second statement is more on point, is that there exists a great population of guys who aren't attractive to women. Regardless, the more destructive side of female nature has been escalated in recent times, and most are not trustworthy partners. Their behavior, the legal system that rewards their self destructive traits, as well as the socially detrimental things women vote for, such as bloated welfare state, sexual harassment laws, just to name a few things, have left men who see what's going on, no other choice except to leave the shit pile women have made.



I don't talk about their reasons to leave women. I criticise in how they attack women based on my observation of them on youtube and how they shows they don't understand female nature. The so-called self-destructive traits of women is a result of feministic brainwash and propaganda. Nothing else.



T. Volt
T. Volt Dec 25 '18

I am mostly done with this topic. I'm not 100% MGTOW, but I can honestly tell you that MGTOW has had more impact, in a very Satanic way, which ironically enough, is probably better for men as a whole. If men don't marry, women have no real power. Do your research, all I can advise is to get very familiar with facts, and then both sides of an argument before making such a quick judgement. Women make their choices, I refuse to believe "The Devil made me do it" excuse.

All men go their own way, some just choose a more realistic path than others.

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Seeker
Seeker Dec 25 '18
I agree a lot with what you say. Are you familiar with curling children? It's normal here in Scandinavia. It can explain why women embrace feminism as they have learned to be in centrum og has developed victim mentality. 
T. Volt
T. Volt Dec 26 '18

Women, you must understand, actually do like the "bad boy" complex, because the closer they are to it, the more prone they are to be resourceful, and women like a lot of intimidating guys because they keep all the losers away. I know this varies, some women really do prefer "nicer" guys, but the reality of this situation, is the guy is likely being used. There is almost always a backdoor man, if not sooner in the relationship, then almost certainly later. It is a woman's nature to be submissive, therefore she must have a man worthy of submitting to, who will be good protection and resource. Men, are predators. We predate, women tend the nest. It is biological baseline. Their nature is not as angelic as men like to believe. Take the pornstar complex, which is to say what people believe about these do called "fallen angels"= *I assume a great deal of men think these women do what they do because they are abused and have no where else to turn *as is my experience when speaking on the subject to men, and women. Most of these performers are well taken care of, and I am willing to bet my bottom dollar these women have almost no regrets with their choices> they were never "angels" to begin with> succubus it a much more accurate analogy. Not even judging good or bad here, just telling it how IT IS. Not to say I stand against porn, just making a point often missed by most of today's male population:

Most women are only soft skin deep.

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T. Volt
T. Volt Dec 26 '18

I replied to you, Seeker, because you admit you agree, which tells me that you are essentially at least more willing to do what your name implies. This is a thing that can lead you down quite the rabbit hole, and you must be willing, because that's a rough tunnel to slide down, which let's face it, stands against what most men are willing to do, that is, look at the other side of common belief and acknowledge it. This is one of the most Satanic things one can DO. It takes practice and refinement to master this particular mechanism of your psyche, which I should say, need be done with as much care and reservation as possible, so as not to lose it and snap, or otherwise, have a "Neo Moment". Red pill is difficult.

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Seeker
Seeker Dec 26 '18
Do men really believe that pornstars are abused or forced into it?

Do men really believe that women are angels? 

Do you believe there exists no good women in our modern world?





T. Volt
T. Volt Dec 26 '18

Good questions, they all vary from place to place, culture to culture, person to person.

I believe these so called GOOD women are indeed very very rare, and even good women have been known to go cold. In a lot of places, including here in The USA, a man choosing to marry a woman is the same as a person giving a child a gun, one that by statistical fact is over 75% likely to turn on them.

Just saying.

Orobas
Orobas Dec 26 '18
Biology, females offer themselves to dominant males, they have children, mission accomplished. Everything else is random. 


I am not a dominant male so I don't actually have anything to lose. I already lost. It's all my fault, makes no sense to blame women. 


Allan Watts, now that's something I never do get my head around. I think I understand what he is saying, but I don't get joy or energy out of it so I don't understand. 

 

Seeker
Seeker Dec 26 '18
Quote from T. Volt

Good questions, they all vary from place to place, culture to culture, person to person.

I believe these so called GOOD women are indeed very very rare, and even good women have been known to go cold. In a lot of places, including here in The USA, a man choosing to marry a woman is the same as a person giving a child a gun, one that by statistical fact is over 75% likely to turn on them.

Just saying.


I think it also have to do with women falling in love or not. If a woman falls in love with you and you on the same time shows love to her then I think she will stay. As I pointed out earlier, men in the west are weak because they are also influenced by feministic propaganda and are not raised to show power and give 
counteraction to women. I have encountered males completely blindly state that women are not the weak gender and they have even been pussies to use manipulating rhetoric to frame me as I was a sexist. 
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Seeker
Seeker Dec 26 '18
Quote from Orobas Biology, females offer themselves to dominant males, they have children, mission accomplished. 

 


Natural 
instincts to ensure survival of the fittest right? 
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AK
AK Dec 30 '18
Some of what MGTOW is going-on about has a basis in truth. These truths, though, just don't strike me as worth making that big of a to-do about. 


I certainly will not disagree with you that taking care of yourself first and foremost is totally in-keeping with notions of "Satanic pride". "You have to be good to yourself before you can be good to others." Where MGTOW gets it all sorts of skew-wise is its emphasis on women. Easily, one could cite toxic friends, co-workers, employers, employees, and even family members as being just as worth rejecting and for the exact same reasons as women. At least when the situation warrants doing so. It also occurs to me that someone with the time on their hands to do so could very easily start an equally as convincing WGTOW movement. This would amuse me to no end.


With regard to who to point the finger at, exactly: well___ it's the mostly the laws - laws of nature and legislation. I have a hard time blaming anyone for using the law to their advantage. 


There are a few things about "women in general" that are worth looking at. One of which is that I can only make very broad inferences as to their psychology. Anyone - especially a dude - who comes across as if they have women completely figured out is going to raise an immediate "orly, now?". Still there are certain fairly hard-to-dispute theories concerning the differences in psychology between the genders. 


For starters, women "select" and can be selective. This is one feature that reconciles the reasons why, archetypically, nature is described as a woman. Nature selects. This means that it also rejects. Rejection is always painful. I can understand *that* these MGTOWs are none-too-pleased with the situation, I just think they have the *why* all sorts of out of phase with the reality of things.  


On another point, only the most deluded of "leftists" argue that women are basically the same as men both physiologically and endocrinologically. They just aren't. They tend to be more emotional and emotions do drive their decision making processes to a greater extent than seen in males. For men who are just generally more prone to being guided by their intellect, this is often as incomprehensible as it is frustrating. It is the source of numerous stand-up comedy anecdotes. Still, it's not wrong, necessarily.  


Remember, men can just up and leave their children. Maybe the guy's a dead-beat. Maybe he goes off to war, or to the work site never to return. It's one of the reasons fathers are just plain more protective of their daughters in terms of their sexuality. The male can just change addresses and disappear. The female is basically kind of "stuck" carrying and raising the kid. That playing-field will no doubt level-off as technology advances, but for now that's situation on the ground and has been for the whole of human history. There's a side-point in terms of the advantages and disadvantages here, but the main thrust is this: they - women - have to be more equipped to raising these little diaper clad monstrosities, and - ya know - children are awful. You can't reason with them, that just doesn't work. They cry is what they do. They emote. 


Subsequently, it is not that big of a surprise the gender role that bears the majority of the responsibility of carrying and raising a child that does nothing but cry and throw tantrums to communicate its needs is going to be more attuned to the importance of that mode of expression. That is: they're going to value and even employ appeals to emotion to a much greater extent. On-the-whole, of course. There are always exceptional cases. Are women emotionally manipulative? Sure. But every child is regardless of gender, and I don't think men really outgrow that, either. 


Another issue, too, is that men are not the saints MGTOW seems to be suggesting. We cheat. Have side-girls. Make mistakes. Consider trading-up for a newer model. There's also a certain element of moral licensing to that which goes wholly unnoticed: often justified by being faithful "most" of the time, or just being the primary bread-winner. On the other hand, people broadly get complacent in relationships. They stop trying once secure in their relationship. There's a limit to that beyond which is unacceptable, and what's most insidious about this phenomena is that the other partner just assumes (rightfully) it goes unspoken that they would've never started dating the person the other has allowed themselves to become. 


It's a hard pill to swallow - far more bitter than the red or blue one - that if things aren't going your way, there only two options:


1) assume there's something wrong with the world at-large. The game is fixed. The cards are stacked against you (and again, I use "you" in the general sense) and just cry about it with others who feel just as slighted. 


or


2) Step back and think "maybe I'm at least partially to blame - or at least responsible". "Maybe there's just something I just don't 'get' or have a handle-on in terms of how the world actually works."


The latter perspective, while it will no doubt take one's ego down a few pegs, is actually the most pragmatic. You can do something about that. 


Anecdotally, I have listened to some of these MGTOW horror stories (and it's true, some women are just plain off-their rockers, but it's not as if that's a characteristic they own the patent to), and my first reaction is well___ "maybe you've just been fishing in the wrong waters, or using the wrong bait". For example, the club scene and the bar scene - it's fun - it really is, but fishing for "serious commitment" in waters like that is, quite frankly, absurd. I don't know why anyone would expect that. It'd be like expecting to hook a keeper of a blue fish in a murky pond. That's just not where they are, ordinarily. Don't come crying to me if every fish you landed was a perch. That's not an issue with fish in general - it's just an issue of where you're sticking your pole.


There's plenty of fish in the sea and a lot of them are keepers.


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T. Volt
T. Volt Dec 30 '18

1 The laws women vote for and take advantage of destroy men's lives. MARRIAGE IS TOO DANGEROUS. Statistics show this. Men can lose everything because of how the family courts swing. No matter if she's the one for you, if she turns on you, she can and will ruin your life. EVERY WOMAN HAS THIS OPTION RIGHT NOW. < Elephant in the room. In other words, it's not just SOME women but ALL of them having this option, and a huge majority of them act like abusive cunts. NAWALT women are too rare, often taken, and also have the same option to ruin your life if they decide to go sour. Even if the laws change, will women? I don't buy that feminism alone is the problem here, women know they are making these choices.

2 Modern women are beyond selective, they are delusional and they know it. Most of their problems are their own, having unreasonable expectations of everyone else, and very little of themselves.

3 MGTOW admit freely that there are asshole, loser men. A lot of them acknowledge this when making their videos. Their goal is to help other guys out there reach their potential, while giving them advice about red pill reality, and the dangers of feminism, biased laws, and crazy women in general. These issues are addressed because they are some of the biggest challenges men face, and some of the most toxic and destructive to their livelihood. It is a mis conception that these MGTOW are "just bitter and hate women." Yet most people refuse to see the light of fact, and would rather keep on the "bitter loser" argument. This is another reason men decide to say "fuck everyone."

4 Most MGTOW understand that there is in fact, something wrong with them, and that they've been chasing female validation for far too long. Its your fault, and the world's fault. Both are true. Most MGTOW men have addressed the issue and circumstance of their own life, and act as realistic as possible. <This is where men choose to do something about themselves. Opting out is not illogical, and there are many different reasons for it, sometimes guys really are unattractive to women because of their shitty life style, shitty looks, bad social status, etc. Most of the time its just regular guys who've been through enough betrayal and hurt, who see that there is no reasoning with modern women and their refusal to fess up to their shit behavior. The only option is to go your own way and live life the best you can. It sucks to have to live alone, that you can't have a partner to be there with you, BUT, MGTOW realize that being alone is a much safer way than being with someone who makes your life problematic and has virtually no respect for you, probably never did, then takes away all you've worked for. This is why men go MGTOW, and why, as much to the demise of traditionalists at large, are STAYING MGTOW. It isn't a fad or a butthurt phase, it is a very real, rational, and life changing philosophy that improves the lives of the majority of men who stick it out.


Conclusion: Opt out, stay away from marriage, and in this feminist/metoo backlash, it is probably a good idea to limit, or even cut off relationships and interactions with women altogether.

Doesn't matter what pond you fish in, when every pond is infected with toxin, and even if there are NAWALT women, it is a waste of time trying to seek them out. Even if you find a keeper, how long before she goes bad? This is not only a possibility, but statistical probability.

MGTOW men focus on their own personal success, alone, and after so much time, realize that they don't need to seek a partner, that they are in fact, able to do without it. This is the experience they acquire while applying the philosophy to their life. It is certainly hard, but the way I see it, and other MGTOW see it, other men have had to sacrifice a lot more than just pussy. As some say, is it really that important? MGTOW say no, it's not.
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AK
AK Dec 30 '18
1. "The laws women vote for and take advantage of destroy men's lives." A couple points here: 


Firstly, "are they, though? Really? is that what's actually happening right now? Women are just lining up at polls I've never heard of in record numbers to destroy men's lives?"


secondly, show me a law that doesn't have the unintended consequence of destroying the lives of a certain percentage of the population. 


Thirdly, yeah. Every thing has risk. If marriage is dangerous, then owning a business must be utterly pant-pissingly terrifying: as is every possible venture you can name. The only safe thing for "men" to do is to hole-up in their apartments. And I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I see where this has the potential to go and what agenda this might truly be in service of. This pervasive internet-driven illusion of "us v.s them". Black vs. White. Male vs. Female. Divide and conquer through "memetics" - it's part of an erosive trend that one would have to be a fool to not see (pronounced: "NAZI"). If you think other nations can't play the "green revolution" type games here on our own soil, I've got news for you. 


Whatever the case, what's cool about marriage, though, is that you don't actually have to do it. If it's not right for you, then just don't. For every dude that I know with apprehensions about it, I know three chicks who also think it sucks. If the trust model seems sketchy, then don't sign the contract. There's no real laws within any teeth against cohabitation, and even if there were, you're free to ignore them.


From where I stand, your grievance is with the laws. I would actually support you from that angle. The laws definitely are one-sided. Some women are sketchy, but ya know what? people in general are sketchy. That's something you learn in preschool. 


2. "Modern women are beyond selective, they are delusional and they know it" vast over simplification. You may as well be blaming the Jews for the recent drop in the DOW. How many modern women do you actually know? What is a modern woman? Where are they hiding and holding their secret meetings? And I ask this because I really want to know if you (the general you) are going to let the internet warp your view of what's really going on in your own back yard? You've effectively allowed "Modern women" to become your Satan.


3. "MGTOW admit freely that there are asshole, loser men" I'm sure they do, but the emphasis is incredibly biased. The reality is that people are shitty - sometimes - usually. Some shitty people have tits. Some don't. Even your bros could just as easily turn on you in a heart-beat. Not all of them will, but it happens, and there's nothing but vapid drunken platitudes to suggest there's any real difference between bros and hoes. There's expectation and reality; where there is a discrepancy between the two, damage will be done. 


4. Most MGTOW understand that there is in fact, something wrong with them, and that they've been chasing female validation for far too long. Its your fault, and the world's fault. That's a good thing, but just as easily as applicable to women. If they're trying to sell me on the notion that women don't chase male validation, don't stick-out highly abusive relationships, don't put up with more than their fair share of bullshit from "men" who aren't even qualified to hold my coat - I'm not seeing that line. It's a bridge too far. I mean, what's interesting to step back and observe is that in the process of so vocally disowning the need for female validation, they are implying their need for male validation. The issue is "validation" - men seek it, women seek it, and without self-validation first and foremost, yeah, you're going to encounter some difficulties in life. 


It has made me quite pleased to see that you've tried your hand at exploring the world. I cannot stress how important that is. I tip my hat to anyone with the balls and means to do that. Myself especially. 


So, what I would ask, ok sure, there's a down side to marriage. It's not a perfect institution. But what of matters of citizenship? What if it's actually not about the pussy? I can summon the stink ditch at will. In my perspective, as it turns-out, women want sex exactly as much as I do. It's fun, it's intimate, they get multiple orgasms, I do all the work, really. They're just as freaky as I am (probably even more so, in most cases)


What if, in the course of my travels, I literally found "the one" - the shit you read about in romance novels? And we're not talking a girl on the other side of the state, or you happened to run into at a local bar, but one you just happened to meet, say, debating religion on some random chat room and decided to meet one day despite being on the exact opposite side of the planet? If I want to spend the rest of my life with, I don't have a choice. She's not a citizen of where I live. 


And yeah, there are people who have been going on 10, 15, 20 years solid cohabiting, even having children, without actually tying the knot - and that's actually pretty cool. They are fortunate to have been afforded that opportunity as citizens of the same country. Not everyone has it like that, and they need to make due with the cards they're dealt. 


You might see marriage as "risky", and it is. But with marriage - or, better stated, commitment, You're literally saying "I want to grow old with you", and meaning that - and knowing that it might not work. That's a risk. Part of the human experience. Some have been dealt a hand that allows them to do so without signing a contract. Some have signed that contract and were betrayed - and that sucks. While others, due to immigration laws and such, don't really have these luxuries you have when you're fishing in local ponds. What's cool about "them" and by "them" I mean "I" who are on the same boat (and there's a lot)- they don't make a big stink about it. This is how the game is played, and they play it. If the game isn't for them, if it's too hard or whatever, then they just don't. You're free to fold.


MGTOW, at least the ones who pop on on these YouTube channels, I couldn't possibly be more unlike them if I tried. They are not my peers and they have nothing to teach me.


I get your point, and I think you have an interesting correlation to bring to the table. It just warrants some sharpening. 


The flaw is the word "Safe". "No one is 'safe'". The world is not 'safe'. It's just another facet of the whole "safe-space" agenda, that what really draws my ire is that so few "see" what it is they are looking at. Safe. Safe. Safe. Safe. Everywhere you look, that's agenda. Do the safe thing. Find your safe space. It's just another facet of the same stone. Even supposed doe-eyed dolls carry razors. That's part of their appeal.



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T. Volt
T. Volt Dec 30 '18
Firstly, "are they, though? Really? is that what's actually happening right now? Women are just lining up at polls I've never heard of in record numbers to destroy men's lives?"

They certainly are lining up for divorce and welfare.

secondly, show me a law that doesn't have the unintended consequence of destroying the lives of a certain percentage of the population.

All the more reason not to let the state in your life anymore than it already is.

This pervasive internet-driven illusion of "us v.s them". Black vs. White. Male vs. Female. Divide and conquer through "memetics" - it's part of an errosive trend that one would have to be a fool to not see

Except that it is in fact, and us vs. them scenario, and that's how the world is.

what's cool about marriage, though, is that you don't actually have to do it. If it's not right for you, then just don't. For every dude that I know with apprehensions about it, I know three chicks who also think it sucks. If the trust model seems sketchy, then don't sign the contract. There's no real laws within any teeth against cohabitation, and even if there were, you're free to ignore them.

1 It is in fact, cool, you don't have to marry if you don't want to. Men are opting out at rates unprecedented in western history.
2 I have met girls who said they didn't want it, then wound up marrying their boyfriends.
3 Marriage is sketchy, and some things depend on where you live, as with any jurisdiction. There are states where if you co-hab for a certain amount of time, the state will consider you legally married whether you like it or not.

From where I stand, your grievance is with the laws. I would actually support you from that angle. Some women are sketchy, but ya know what? people in general are sketchy. That's something you learn in preschool.

1 With laws and the mentality of women. People are sketch, dick or tits, all the more reason to live alone, mind your business at work and in public, and don't draw too much negative attention in your life. While socialization is beneficial to your emotional and psychological well being, it isn't as mandatory as people often think. Self sufficiency is the most important skill, and living an uncomplicated life is a great way to go. As painful as it is, the less people in your life, the less complicated it can be. I'm not saying full hermit is a one size fits all solution, but that maybe living alone is something many, if not most men, prefer but don't get much time to figure out because of social construct: grade school, college, moving out of parents into dorm, roomate house, in with girlfriend, house, kids, work, how much time do men have to figure out they don't want all this shit? Guys have to quit altogether and see.

vast over simplification. You may as well be blaming the Jews for the recent drop in the DOW. How many modern women do you actually know? What is a modern woman? Where are the hiding and holding their secret meetings? And I ask this because I really want to know if you (the general you) are going to let the internet warp your view of what's really going on in your own back yard? You've effectively allowed "Modern women" to become your Satan.

The oversimplification, and no offense, is that maybe you mis-understand me, or I haven't been clear. My conclusions are based on my experience with women in general, in relationships and work places, and even recent times. Even if it is me, I have done nothing wrong to be treated as how I have. I am not going to change for ungrateful women. Ever. Fact is, I do know some women I talk to on a regular basis, but relationships? They either will or will not happen, I am well prepared for both. Yes, modern FEM (Fake Entitlement Mentality) women are a kind of adversary to me, but that doesn't mean I can't be their Satan right back.

If they're trying to sell me on the notion that women don't chase male validation, don't stick-out highly abusive relationships, don't put up with more than their fair share of bullshit from "men" who aren't even qualified to hold my coat

This is neither here nor there, unless say, I meet a woman and find out she's been in abusive relationships, then maybe it would, and I'd break it off because she has mental issues, or, maybe she's trying for a stable guy (me) for the first time. If we're talking MGTOW, then it really doesn't matter, as a relationship isn't even desired in the first place.

It has made me quite pleased to see that you've tried your hand at exploring the world. I cannot stress how important that is. I tip my hat to anyone with the balls and means to do that.

I am glad you think so, and not to sound nihilistic or anything, but what I've found is that people are mostly the same the world over. Travel always does something to build your character and personal development, one way or another.

Since I know you're a smart guy, and you have your shit together in ways other people "don't" including me, I am only going to tell you I wish you the best in your efforts to connect with your "one and only." You are probably an exception, and I could give you warnings about how the laws will apply no matter what, but I know you know that, and I can only hope it works out for you. I am not devoid of open mindedness to other circumstances. I for one, have never, ever, in my life, experienced "true love." Those love songs don't speak to me, and I don't connect with them. Does not mean I can't see what it is, or that I can't love. In fact, I don't think I could ever treat these situations as casual as other people seem to. For me it has never been mutual< which is the one thing it MUST be to be true. If you have found this, you have my best wishes, but for me, its not in the forefront of my pursuit.

Everyone has different circumstances, my point is that in this modern time, MGTOW is becoming the Satan no one likes, yet may be a new door opening up a world of opportunity. Time will tell. I don't have a lot in common with a great many of these MGTOW either, and many of them do in fact, come off unappealing to me. I certainly can tell why so many women reject them, but I know from experience that women have other unrealistic expectations and demands that cloud their ability to feel mutual respect and personal happiness. I generally want nothing to do with their attitude, am weary of their constant betrayal, and have gone my own way for the time being.
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AK
AK Dec 30 '18
Sure - it's all badminton to me - no real offense taken, you made a few points I probably won't address (just due to matters of wherewithal - I'm not here to change anyone's mind, I like writing, but even that is, after certain point, like "well___ 'that's all the English I know, man'


I think, in summary, the laws are super fucked-up and one would do well to start attacking that rather than the opposite gender about whom they may not really know all that well. Pick your battles. 


The law is well within the realm of possibility to change. Human nature: what makes men men, and women women? That's never going to change. And also, some dudes are equally as shitty to their supposed "bros" as they are to their "SOs". Women deal with the same thing. Limiting the focus to a men-vs-women issue, I think is juvenile. It's something that if my younger brother came to me asking about, I'd have to sit him down and mention a thing or two about a thing or two. I'm the oldest of several, and do as much to raise them as their (own) parents. So it spills-over. 


"Oh, your girlfriend cheated on you? That sucks. It was with your best friend? *smirks* that's life, bro." 


See what I'm saying? 


Is it because females are sketchy, or that males are sketchy, or just that people are just sometimes sketchy and there's no real way of calling it based solely on gender, creed, or race? That it might actually be chaos - a chaos that is up to you to make sense of and put order to? 


Again, if ever a WGTOW pops up on the internet, I've no doubt it will be just as equipped and just as convincing. 


If these MGTOWS are so sick of women, there's women out there just as sick of them. That's neither here nor there, though. 


The real issue is that I am not, actually, an exception. And I'm not being humble, either by saying this. The internet magnifies things. It makes mountains of mole-hills. Always ask yourself exactly how many such instances you personally know of. Does the narrative you're being sold reflect the reality you see with your own eyes? Are you going to let anyone with a Twitter account warp your view of the world as-is? There's a game with rules that we are born-into: some of these rules make sense, some of which are arbitrary, some you can ignore, some rules entail knowing which rules to ignore: it's a complex game known as "life". Some roll a 20 for some stat or other. Some roll a 2. But it's always play-able. Winnable if you know your stats and know the "rules". When to climb the mountain, when to go around it. When to bring the mountain to you. 


So I can't blame "women" for knowing the rules - for however one-sided the rules are. But you know what? At the end of the of the day everything is a case-by-case basis. And I wouldn't want these metro-sexuals with a YouTube channel stimeying your initiative to succeed where they have, quite clearly, failed. You start painting with these broad-brushes and you're going to end up repeating lessons of the past. It's the Jews, those Pagans, it's the Blacks, Gnostics, Heretics, it's the Protestants, the Illuminati, aliens, greys, the Irish, Yankees, Sunni, Shia, the "other", Trump, whatever - but history has shown that there is never any "there there". 


On the one hand MGTOW can be the "Satan" - but MGTOW has it's own clearly defined boogey-man - it's own Satan - and that is women. Here women are the scapegoat, which is not all that far off from pinning scarlet letters, and strangely more puritanical in a lot of senses than originally suggested. 


There's always a third side: that the world just is what it is and there's nothing about it to be fixed except one's attitude towards it.



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T. Volt
T. Volt Dec 31 '18

To use an analogy: Shopping. Most women aren't shopping what I am shopping for. That's the majority of women I have met. If I look at people like computers, sure, by default, you want a nice piece of hardware, granted, but when the majority are running by default, on some crazy OS loaded with malware, it doesn't matter what kind of computer you buy because statistically, they all run the same: Programmed to self destruct and take all the hard work and development you have invested away from you. With people you can't really uninstall this shit, in fact, as time goes on it only seems to get worse. Women seem to me, based on my experience, no youtube required, that they are programmed like a trojan horse: Once they are married BAM< This is statistical fact, regardless of my own experiences (which I cannot ignore either).

When it comes down to it, I am sure I am compatible with some women, and I have to look for a girl who has the same interests and characteristics as me, and also be like, "hey, great, but I'll never marry you." Just being realistic, that won't go down well.

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AK
AK Dec 31 '18
No doubt. And again, if marriage isn't for you (and there are plenty of valid reasons why it really is a pretty bad contract) - it's like you said: "just not what I'm shopping for." You'll find, actually, plenty of women agreeing


"yeah, what's the point? I want you to stay with me because you want to and not because of some legal obligation." 


All of this too, may be the culture. I don't know what it's like out in the mid-west. I can only speak to what I see here in the lower North East or in the Philippines. The lower North East is pretty progressive, and super direct. The Philippines, usually the case is that the wife works and the husband sits around playing video games all day; and they can't get divorced in the ordinary sense of the word (worth looking up: the catholic church is very much alive and well fucking up the lives of people as it always has... we don't bitch about it, even despite having the most concrete case against it, 'just work around it). Undoubtedly, there's also women out there questioning the whole institution, and for equally as valid reasons. 


It only makes sense - the institution of marriage - where there's some sort of advantage to it. It's a social construct. Free to use or ignore like any other. 


But again, I question if MGTOW may be, like, say, AntiFa, more concerned about itself than anything else: the bigger-picture being likes, subscriptions, and what have you. 


Every one knows fascism is probably not a good thing, and conversely, taking care of yourself before others is generally a good thing. They're both just amplified to draw intrigue and ratings by painting a picture of a Devil that doesn't actually exist. 


Women are definitely different than men. That is true. A lot of what seems "buggy" to the casual observer does actually make evolutionary sense. It is likely, too, that they themselves are no closer to understanding why they do what they do any more so than men are. I doubt there's some sort of conspiracy going on.


Also another thing to bear in mind, regarding past experiences: no one comes pre-packaged and fully assembled. They're going to do some pretty fucked-up stuff along the way. So, I mean: is it that they're women? or just that they were young? 


The guy (and I'm not saying you're one of them) still ranting about past romances gone south that occurred between the ages of ~13 and 30, my knee jerk reaction to him is "yeah, because you were both young, stupid, and were still figuring yourselves out". People get hurt in that process. Eggs cracked. Omelettes made. 


The whole "hey, I'll never marry you" thing - it's actually not as big of a deal as it's made-out to be. They'll often be like "yeah, it's over-hyped" and you end up, none-the-less, effectively married. 


With MGTOW as a movement: it's mountains out of mole-hills, devised, I suspect, to justify its own existence as an internet phenomena.  A Like and Subscription generating machine. 

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