The indoctrination of children | Forum

Lets face it. 99% of children are indoctrinated into one thing or the other. Be it religion, class, racial attitudes ect. As the saying goes ' Satanists are born not made ' ( LaVey ) .Those that have the ability to develop critical thinking skills will break away from the herd. Those that do not, as AK mentioned, would still be tools and fools regardless if they were indoctrinated or not. Therefor maybe do society a favor and assume everyone born is a derp anyways. Then through stratification the critical thinkers will rise outta the derp pile like so many of us had to do. Besides, not only does it prove that child is something special to have been stamped a derp and still shrug it off, it also gives that child a perspective and character that only that type of struggling for identity and rebellion can give.

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In other-words, yeah! Everyone is going to be brainwashed. The attempt will be made. No use in protesting that. It's up to the individual to stand up and say "yeah, I hear you, but I'm not listening. This just does not compute." That attitude isn't, I don't think, something that can be taught. It's just part of the fabric of who they are. Something in the wiring. Born not made. 

To those ends, what is there to protest about concerning indoctrination? Teach socialism in college, for all I care. Teach creationism in schools. They're both crap ideas, and it won't matter how many essays students have to write or books to read concerning it, if they're smart enough - have that spark - it won't matter. They'll reject it outright even if it means an F. Immune to memetic influence. How better to immunize a person from anything than to expose them to it?

We don't have to argue in order to clarify terminology. Indoctrination has to do with authority. Do what your parents tell you. Listen to your teacher. The idea of obedience comes to play in this quadrant. Brute force being but one of many means by which to exert authority. It's learning via an altogether different vector than thinking critically. It is possible to be indoctrinated - even if unintentionally - by your peers and role models. 

It's entirely possible I may by inadvertently indoctrinating my scant  readership to my inchoate manner of viewing the world simply by casting the impression of an authority - as if I have any idea what I'm doing.

The premise of indoctrination works like this: Person X is an authority, and because of that and that alone they are to be listened to uncritically. 

As a toddler, you have no idea "why" using the potty is good thing. You're just taught and told to do it by an authority. Whether or not they have your best interests in mind is a matter you haven't yet developed the cognitive faculties to consider. 

*never mind that toilets in the western world are just plain ill-suited to human excretory functioning - it's actually the blind leading the blind on this one. Just the same, that's how have we've been indoctrinated. 

Not all indoctrination is bad, and moreover, it's unavoidable. It's how you confront indoctrination is where the rubber meets the labia. 

If you want, for example, yourself or your child to learn to resist and defend against indoctrination, the best way to go about that is through exposure. Same deal with fighting, or immunity. You don't become a better fighter by avoiding conflict, nor do you strengthen your immune system by avoiding germs. I figure, why should it be any different when it comes to indoctrination? If you have that spark, you've got an unending supply of silly ideas and stupid notions to set ablaze. 

Show me one example of a non-indoctrinated person to exemplify. I mean, all the indoctrinated people I know of are, at this very moment, likely yelling at traffic and shitting themselves as the need arises as they walk.

There really aren't any. Maybe those weird feral children that grow up thinking they are a wolf or some shit.

It starts pre-literary, but by the time they are putting their ABC's together they are already experienced observers of their environment.

All ready forming routine. 

I know for a fact I was being indoctrinated as young as two. When they still talked to me my parents told me of the time we were going into a restaurant once and all of a sudden I said "Nosmo King".  My parents were puzzled and I said it again.  Then they noticed I was looking at the "no smoking" sign. 

Even before were are taught to read we are already being indoctrinated by Tesla songs and noticing those signs. 

Kids learn via indoctrination to nomos. We are just the only species to write them down. It only becomes an issue if and when they become old enough to take issue with the unnecessary ones. That arises around the time gender identity forms, about 4 or 5.