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Brother Shamus
Germany pulls it off with hundreds of millions.  It only works when people do. And as racist as it might sound it is a nordic trait.  No nobility in accepting social programs you dont pay into. Their want to work removes a poulation cap.  
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Jedi_Jane
Jedi_Jane Jun 2

If China has a Great Wall, so can America!


I'm not racist or anything, but, we need to keep Mexicans out of our country because: 1) most of them are uneducated, 2) most of them look ugly, 3) they breed like roaches, 4) their bitches get fat as fuck after the first baby, 5) they don't wanna learn English, 6) they smell bad, 7) they eat gross shit like chicharonies, 8) their kids start gangs, 9) they over populate our prisons, 10) they work stupid jobs, like pick strawberries, 11) they refuse to come into America legally, 12) most end up being liberal, 13) most end up voting Democrat. I can go on, but I'm not racist. I have many Mexican friends. I'm half "Mexican" myself, but the kind of European descent, not the brown skinned Paisa kind, and I love Mexican food. 


Edit: Note that when I use the term "Mexican" in the above paragraph, I mean the Paisas, I.E.: the ones of indigenous ancestry who have dark brown skin, and are not Caucazoids. 

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Brother Shamus
You should see Riverside County. What a arid wasteland with no redeemable cities outside the Temecula wine country. 


I use it as an example because its like supplanting a red state in Southern California. The white folk are tweeker christian or heroin addicted gang members trying to be vatos. The natives are fucked by a climate of having to live in a place like Hemet or Moreno Valley. With the no trees and scree. A place littered with Calvary Chapels and fruit stands alike. 


The problem isn't race, it is that there's poor people, like from Riverside County. If Americans who worked were willing to pay a small even 2% VAT it could fund social programs for those who pay into it.  Unfortunately for the IE you have to work to receive said social programs.

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Jedi_Jane
Jedi_Jane Jun 2

I used to hang out in Downtown Riverside all the time! My friend used to live in those brown apartments across the street from the library. At the time, there was this "occult" book shop by the MacDonald's area called "Dragon's Marsh," which sold clothing for the Ren Fair, and crystals and tarot cards. 


Me and my friend used to hang out at The Grind, which is that really cool coffee shop with the tall ceiling. They used to have bands play there back then. Next door was the gay bar called the Menagerie. One time my friend was desperate for beer, so he went in there, and I did too. A long time ago, there was a murder right out side the Managerie. Some unfortunate gay boy got killed at on the sidewalk at the corner. 


I like that VAT idea. I would participate in it. I think you're right: its poverty, not race per se. 


But now, we would have to philosophically think about what poverty is, how it comes into being, and how to prevent it, if such can be prevented. I once thought about a cashless society, believing that that would get rid of poverty... but it wouldn't work. 

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Jedi_Jane
Jedi_Jane Jun 2

I once lived in Moreno Valley! Next to Rancho High School. We went hiking up that hill overlooking the high school and Lake Perris, called "Mount Hellgar" often. They called it Mount HellGar because it was Hell to run up, and some girl in track class named Garcia was the first to run up to the top. Vanessa was raised as a child next door in Sun City. My sister's best friend still lives in Sun City. Vanessa moved from Sun City to Jurupa Valley, off the 60 Freeway, off of Van Buren street. When she was in grade school, she and her class help paint those dinosaurs you drive past, when on the 60FWY.


I left a time capsule on top of Mount Hellgar, way up high, in the crack of big rocks. I put a Satanic Bible in it, and a few other things. 

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Dark Enlightenment
That is cool you can take pride in where you are from.

Often in my day to day I have people asking where on the east coast I am from.  My entire family being from Rochester, NY. It stuck and imprinted in vowel inflections despite years of dilution in Tucson, AZ.  So while I rip on you for being from the IE I moved to California 11 years ago from an even bigger shithole than the IE.

While people will say it is a nice for its rustic charm, it is against its own potential with a green belt, anti-gentrification mindset.  A city that voted down an integrated freeway system and now has 1.1 million people on surface streets. They bulit a light rail system, but its a track that is only 3.9 miles loops out into a dirt lot in the hopes people will develop.



This is the infamous 4th Avenue, a happening place to run a new trolley through. It in no way resembles South Central LA. And people are way uglier by comparison.  It's like cost of living = beauty.

So my question is; how can you be proud of it? I defer to Rochester just to avoid association with such an awful, dry, mid-desert, nowhere near the ocean shithole. 



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Jedi_Jane
Jedi_Jane Jun 2

I've never been to south central. 


My uncle lives out in Tucson, by "A Mountain", off of the 5 freeway, off of Grant. I used to spend summer over there with my cousins. I love the green deserts of Tucson. I love the sound of hundreds of cicadas buzzing, and all the red heads. So many redheads. 


This one time, my uncle had a neighbor named Sally who had red hair. I was very young at the time. One day, in the summer, the lady Sally came out of her car and said hello to me. She was wearing a bathing suit. I looked at her crotch and saw red hairs sticking out everywhere... that did something to me ever since...


We used to go hunting for jack rabbits at Silverbell Lake! Do you remember that lake?

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Jedi_Jane
Jedi_Jane Jun 2

You can be Proud of a place/city for a number of reasons: 1) its your psychological mother who helped make you the person you are, if you lived in that place a while; the place is your matrix, your tree and we are a fruit of that tree. 2) the fellowship and friends we have made in such places. 3) the memories and experiences we have from being in such cities. 


What a city looks like, how poor it is, doesn't really mean anything. There's more to a city or place than what the buildings and streets look like. 

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Brother Shamus
Naw, I consider living there as something I had no control over and can resent it like a parolee would prison. The sentence being like a Hindu reincarnation. Plus, ever since I decided my family's love needed to be destroyed, for how dishonorable disowning yourself for no reason is, the border is kinda like a burnt bridge. It is so bad if one of them died they wouldn't even tell me. 


I feel validated in "total jackass" by this.

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Jedi_Jane
Jedi_Jane Jun 3


Quote from Brother Shamus Naw, I consider living there as something I had no control over and can resent it  


I can understand it from that point of view.


There are many aspects of our human life that we have no control over: we don't pick our parents... we don't chose our gender... not our hair color or height or weight... not the language we learn to speak as children... not the culture we are born and raised in... not the race we are units of... not the country we are born in and citizens of... not our world views and weltanschauung we grow up with... not the planet we are born on... not the solar system we are being human in... not even the species we are born members of... not the galaxy we are born in... not the universe we are born and raised in. 


But all of those things, which we have no control over, in some way, makes us not only human, but who we are as a unique individual, distinct from some other human persons. 


Sure, we have ideals. The ideal race we wish we were... the ideal gender... the ideal height and weight... the ideal wealth... the ideal language we wish to speak... the ideal parents... the ideal country... the ideal whatever. And many of us do resent such things we have no control over. And many of us do try to alter and mold ourselves and our environment towards our ideal image of such things...


But I'm a realist. I'm proud and happy about those things I have no control over. It doesn't bother me. I don't resent them. They make me who I am... and I am proud to be me.  

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Tkwilliams Member
Tkwilliams Jun 3
In was born and raised in hesperia California.  It was a pretty nice place then. But around 20 years old I could already tell that it was turning into a expensive shit hole dystopia  I ran like my feet were on fire out of there, Now I would have to drung back kicking and screaming before I would set foot in that place as a resident. If you want to leave you can it's not that hard. Unless your on parole. 
Brother Shamus

Quote from Tkwilliams In was born and raised in hesperia California.  It was a pretty nice place then. 
That's the place with all the meth labs right before Victorville, right?  I am often confused by the sign for "Apple Valley" when I drive to Las Vegas. The high desert doesn't seem to be condusive to anything other then "the place planes go to die", or get housed while they learn how to not make them not crash. 


I am sorry you had to live there. 

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Tkwilliams Member
Tkwilliams Jun 4
When my family first moved there it was okay, my grandparents were the first pharmacy on main street.  Silver screen celebrities would vacation there. Not now, now it is a giant gangland meth lab.  Most my family has manged to get out. 
fnord
fnord Jun 7
I don't care very deeply about a border wall.. but something must be done. 


If 'we' are going to have migrants, then accept them immediately and within the period of 6 months they must find gainful employment and begin paying income tax to the IRS. If gainful employment cannot be obtained then deportation is in order. 


I'm a native born US citizen who has been contributing to SS etc since 1982. Since the age of 15 I have never not been employed. I am watching what is supposed to be a retirement benefit for myself going to people who simply choose to cross a border to a degree that in 10 years, when I might be ready to retire, the money that I've personally earned (and that was taken from me) might not be there for my use. My beef, of course, is with my government for allowing it to happen. I've made my own arrangements but that doesn't change the fact that I'm currently supporting people with money I've earned that I might never see again. 


If I'm going to support others, I'd prefer it to be other native born American people who I at least share a culture with. 


I support a wall if that's what it'll take to keep people from feeding on me. 

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petitsissybottom
Many of y'all sound like Evangelical Nationalists, lmao
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Brother Shamus
Oh good, a reason to but a moratorium on trying to make everyone  hate me. 


I don't care very deeply about a border wall.. but something must be done.

If 'we' are going to have migrants, then accept them immediately and within the period of 6 months they must find gainful employment and begin paying income tax to the IRS. If gainful employment cannot be obtained then deportation is in order.


I agree with employment.  But even the shady Eritrean fucker can be a cabbie.  That will end up a State's Rights issue.

As far as the unemployed.

In my home state; The North is Sanctuary (not that they could afford it). The Central Valley is Oranges and Avacados and counterfeit ID. But there is really no one else lining up to pick fruit all day in The hot and humid Central Valley for 12 dollars an hour.  En el sur cincuente por ciento del populacion habla espanol, so it's essentially  "unenforceable" in that regard.  The further south you get; the more likely they will be to work on one of two sides of the border.  The State minimums have only a $3.20 disparity.  It is very common for people to live in TJ and work in The Spanish speaking South Bay.

I'm a native born US citizen who has been contributing to SS etc since 1982. Since the age of 15 I have never not been employed. I am watching what is supposed to be a retirement benefit for myself going to people who simply choose to cross a border to a degree that in 10 years, when I might be ready to retire, the money that I've personally earned (and that was taken from me) might not be there for my use. My beef, of course, is with my government for allowing it to happen. I've made my own arrangements but that doesn't change the fact that I'm currently supporting people with money I've earned that I might never see again.


Just like SS people could pay a VAT and get social programs like Germany does, And like Germany does, deny them to work dodgers.  


That is dreamland though. And not really relevant other to reitterate a previous statement. There is a block in how things are viewed. It often gets warped towards one or two extremes.

I think it is a copout to place blame on the previous administrations or recent trends. But that is the same everywhere there are democratically elected officials. I.e. Clinton makes subprime lending available, Bush promotes it and gets blamed for 2008.  Obama's hope lasted a year until the voices of Fox News became the anti-socialist bullhorn. 

Which leads to this...

IMO, unless they

If I'm going to support others, I'd prefer it to be other native born American people who I at least share a culture with.

I support a wall if that's what it'll take to keep people from feeding on me.

I see the parasitism as a myth and misdirection.


The Isolationism in response to Obama's "socialism" is asking for Rome to burn.

Ford Motor Company builds or built F-150s in Canada.  Mr. Built-A-Tower-Out-Of-Cheaper-Chinese-Steal now wants to persuade outsourced companies to return. So he went after NAFTA and started a trade war.  I swear he did this to make car companies building in Mexico or Canada return...  And now Ford is going to China... wonder why.

This man is a wanna be Hitler jackass trying to recapture a 4th reich in a world too globalzed to isolate ANY nation. 

All his MAGA, border wall, isolationist bullshit is really getting in the way of Bush Senior's "New World Order" of trade and mutually beneficial relations. Or his noting the need for globalization.  Even Europe is pulling off The EU (sans muslims) and now Brittain is regretting Brexit. Go NWO!

And I agree this is totally a "Young Republican" mindset. 

This might be my Calexico (not the city) in me.  And our commuter crossing is not an issue.  A manchurian test mexican tried to run it and was shot just last week.  He didn't make it.

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fnord
fnord Jun 8
There is gray area for sure. 


That said, the way the system is set up directly allows parasitism in many ways. For instance, my health care premiums have nearly tripled over the past several years and my co-pays have skyrocketed. One of the main reasons for this is that non insured, and in many cases illegal, immigrants are using the emergency rooms for general health care and don't pay their bills. If I have to reach deeper into my pocket because of what someone else is doing then they are feeding off of me (whether or not it's their fault is another discussion). 


RE: The President - He's like every other president since Reagan in that he is beholden to Wall Street and his actions will favor whatever it is that they approve of. He's just the current mouthpiece for them and, truly, that he's controversial only works in their favor as well because people can focus on their hatred of him vs looking at what he's actually doing. Poll any 10 people around you and ask them if they like or dislike Trump. The answers you will get will be superficial and incomplete and will boil down to whether or not they have a good feeling about him. 


All of those who really have power - i.e. the top of the billionaire class are already globalists and are already cutting deals with one another before anyone down here knows what's happening. We're living in a world of rules set by them because they own the laws, the lawmakers and even the prisons they send lawbreakers to - they can't lose no matter what we're doing - unless we, en masse, emulate Bartleby the Scrivener and simply put our pencils down and refuse to work. It'll come to that eventually if something else doesn't happen to turn everything upside down between now and then like a polar shift or something. 


Anyway, Republican or Democrat is just a mindset - an illusion of choice.  

petitsissybottom
Open the borders I say, Lucifer has enough of the things that make humans happy for everybody 
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Dark Enlightenment

Grand utopic ideal. 


*For someone always railing against government and spy conspiracies I am about to sound like a shill or idiot.


Closet Working model: European Union.


Here is my own grand utopic ideal.


Open borders would be "New World Ordered".  


Open borders are great, but they are not  all peaceful refugees, like evangelicals bombing abortion clinics, there are some fucked ones inside all borders. 


The US border is not meant to filter out the workers of California Avacado, but the Saudi version of Brad Pitt's character in 12 Monkeys. Trustfund babies of Sharia Law, among other things. Ever wonder why all Saudis were put on planes on 9/11? Part protection, part "Your kids did this!"


The southern border will never be the entry point for terror threats, that is mostly the drugs and massage therapists entry point. US customs at JFK is more for terror.


Luckily muslims have social media as well. They even check foreign citizens social media before issuing visas. They have a 30% rejection rate. This is still focused on. 


The reason the borders are no longer the Ellis Island sanctuary of WOP (Without Papers) immigration is because the ease in which a claim for asylum can go all Paris on everyone. The Italians wanted to work where as there is a minority of transplanted muslims to want to segregate into idealological isolated communities and get pissed that others dont let them enforce sharia law. (See Denmark)


US, Canada, EU, and others could pull it off, and if not for the Cartels, Mexico could be included as well. But they would need a new currency. Euro, Can$, US$, Aus$, NZ$ would be examples . As they usually trade within 25% of each-other. But more likely The US Dollar would be the most bonded currency. It already is a world currency but this would solidify that. In my mind the applicable countries would likely be; US/Can, EU, UK, Austrailia, and New Zealand. Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, and The UAE in this "TSA precheck world of qualified counties". China does China.


The problem with open borders would then become people trying to get into those qualified countries. Which when inside can be traversed with at most a stamp. 


Unfortunately for everyone, as long as absolute gods compete there will never be a borderless world.


And Trump's isolationism really fucks this up.

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Brother Shamus
You know, It is only crazy when you answer yourself.
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