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Dark Enlightenment

Autism fail? 


Yeah, I'll own to that, but I can't disagree with your point now. 


They're not scientists.  And that's not the scietific method... mostly It's a rallying cry and another team founded in viral infection. 


Science does become a doctrine. 


Like with global warming, what you brought up had I read your complete statement. 


This is the evidence:


https://www.livescience.com/north-pole-ice-loss-2020.html


Unfortuneately, I can't go all Al Gore about it because my advanced knowledge of geology.  Siberian Traps? Average ocean temperature near 100 degrees and completely deoxygenated due to thousands of years of flood volcanism. And Earth recovered from thousands of years of extended volcanic emissions several times in the past, in events releasing WAY more noxious gases. 


The earth has heated way more than this. And typically ice sheets melt EVERY interglacial period. The idea here hard to rule out is the direct correlation with industrial revolution/industrial farming and the proportional rise in temperatures. 


It's a placeholder cause, which may mutate in the future. As of now the global warming/emmissions gangbang needs an explanation for why the steady rate increased outside predicted parameters about time we invented smog. 


And that becomes the base of the rallying cry. Which is sadly also part of the compulsory Democrat platform now. 


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Devil Warship
Devil Warship Feb 26
Prove that climate change is anthropogenic (man-caused). 


We know for a fact that the earth was hotter before humans even existed on this planet. 


We have good evidence that the earth cycles through warmer and colder periods as part of a completely natural cycle. 


It seems to make sense that the earth started getting hotter with the industrial revolution, but we can't prove whether that's causation or merely correlation. 


Every year, we are told that we only have ten more years before the earth dies. Meanwhile, Al Gore bought a multi-million dollar mansion on the beach. Read that again. He bought property which is located someplace that if his own predictions were true, his property would have been completely flooded by now. Even the climate apocalypse preachers (who are just as full of shit as the Christian apocalypse preachers) don't believe what they are shoveling.

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Dark Enlightenment

Absolutely. If there is too much albedo it can go "snowball earth". 


There is a warming trend that has accelerated. That is fact. The hot and cold cycles are more than fact.


 The debate is why now. Why the anamolous increase outside of the rate that remained consistent the entirety of the Holocene until a few hundred years ago, with only volcanism related winters - see "year without a summer", in that time. 


If not human increases in human emissions there is an unknown catalyst to explain away, from a geological standpoint. Doesn't mean it's anthpogenic, but something needs to explain it. 


We are arguing a spontaneous increase in a slight warming trend without the volcanic emissions that have historically caused that to happen.


Given the evidence, I feel the burden of proof is finding any more reasonable cause. 


My best one so far is The Magnetosphere. Earth's pole is slipping, perhaps weakened solar protection associated with a shifting field causes these anomalies. And it is all a coincidence with our emissions.  


All one need do is look at core sample from reversal periods and gauge the environment of that time.

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Devil Warship
Devil Warship Feb 26

Quote from Dark Enlightenment

Given the evidence, I feel the burden of proof is finding any more reasonable cause. 

Absolutely ass-backwards. No. No, no, no.


The burden of proof is always on the one making the assertion, NOT the ones arguing against it! It's like you're saying, "Given the evidence, God created all life, and the burden of proof is finding any more reasonable causes."! 


If you are asserting that humankind has caused catastrophic global temperature changes, then the burden of proof is on you to back up your own assertion. (Hint: you can't.)

Dark Enlightenment
I cant accept spontaneous reasons to the warming trend. 


For me that's what needs to happen to kill the anthropogenic reasons people rally behind/use to rally against.  It has better correlative evidence and is the simplest explanation going.  


The burden is to find a better explanation to discredit human cause. And the best (not anthropigenic) one I have so far is magnetosphere related.


What caused the anomalous (cause needing) rise in ocean height and air temperature since the pre-industrial era? 

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Devil Warship
Devil Warship Feb 26

Quote from Dark Enlightenment I cant accept spontaneous reasons to the warming trend. 


For me that's what needs to happen to kill the anthropogenic reasons people rally behind/use to rally against.  It has better correlative evidence and is the simplest explanation going.  


The burden is to find a better explanation to discredit human cause. And the best (not anthropigenic) one I have so far is magnetosphere related. 


The best solution is to say, "This is what we've observed. We don't yet have a cause that we can prove. However, we believe that some reasonable theories are: [list the causes you suspect]" 


What you don't say is, "OH MY GOD, THE EARTH IS GETTING COLDER - I MEAN HOTTER - AND WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE IN TEN YEARS, AND IT'S YOUR FAULT! AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE US, YOU'RE JUST LIKE A HOLOCAUST DENIER OR A FLAT EARTHER! REPENT OF YOUR EVIL CAPITALIST WAYS AND BECOME A SOCIALIST IF YOU DON'T WANT EVERYONE TO FUCKING DIE!" [Which seems to be the current doomsday cultist-take.]


Of course, this is all moot once you realize that they've intentionally moved the temperature stations and manipulated the data to emphasize data that seems to prove their climate change theory. And once you realize that there has been no appreciable increase in temperature in years. And once you actually read up on the whole "hockey stick" chart bullshit.

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Dark Enlightenment
Naw, we are talking 8 degrees and 18 inches of ocean height by 2100 in the more dire scenarios. Inconvenient and expensive but nothing that will run away all that much. 


In fact it will be glorious capitalist era of public works investment and infrastructure contracts to secure coastal cities again ocean level rise. Amsterdam doesn't feel like dying, I guarantee you. It's hindsight to blame capitalism or industry. 



I get what you are saying.  


Liberal nomos is as annoying as inquisition nomos. And has flipped in western society since the end of the cold war across that artificial left/right (religious/irreligious tinged) divide.  Now instead of (to use the sexuality example) nomos calling the homosexual stricken with mental disease and sin, it flipped to calling the homosexual whatever fruity made-up designation they identify as. And they are now stunning and brave for it and must be regarded as such. Regardless of how obvious and disgusting they might look by 50. 

Of course, this is all moot once you realize that they've intentionally moved the temperature stations and manipulated the data to emphasize data that seems to prove their climate change theory. And once you realize that there has been no appreciable increase in temperature in years. And once you actually read up on the whole "hockey stick" chart bullshit.


But that's just the cut/paste Q-Anon fearing conservative retort. It's also a bit paranoid to think there is an overreaching agenda to move climate stations and use misleading data just to validate a false flag of climate crisis, in an even larger conspiracy to take over the world... and if you dont believe that you need to wake up.... and so on so forth.   That is not occams razor.


Occam's razor is over there with anthropogenic causes. 

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Devil Warship
Devil Warship Feb 26
What the hell are "nomos"?
Dark Enlightenment
In sociology, nomos is a habit or custom of social and political behavior that is socially constructed and historically specific. It refers not only to explicit laws but to all of the normal rules and forms people take for granted in their daily activities. Because it represents order that is validated by and binding on those who fall under its jurisdiction, it is a social construct with ethical dimensions


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G.B.
G.B. Mar 3

science is great, but science can be corrupted since it is humans behind it. science isn´t just science, there are different categories like pseudoscience, junkscience, real science. in real science you follow the breadcrumbs and see where it leads to, you don´t go and come up with a theory and try to prove you are right, because then data gets altered or ignored when the data goes against the hoped outcome.



man-made-global-warming is just another religion. preached to us by the tv-set, or the mass media outlets.


it reminds me of back when the catholic church preached from the pulpis we are all going to die because of our sins, fire will fall from the sky, armageddon and blabla...give us your money and do as we say, regret your sins and repent and then you might be saved.

we are right because the bible proves it, it was written by god and we didn´t alter it or leave things out that didn´t fit the agenda, we promise. everyone who says differently is a heretic.


now they are preaching from the holy tv-screen that we are all going to die, its getting hotter, regret your sinful co2-sins (eating meat being one of many), give us your money via rising taxes and do as we say and you might be saved.

the data proves it, we didn´t alter it or leave things out that doesn´t fit the agenda, we promise. everyone who says differently is a conspiracy nut.


trying to prove man-made-global-warming by using roughly 180 years of data, when even the sun´s energy output cycle is a little over 300years, boy oh boy, that isn´t scientific.

in many years to come, man-made globalwarming will be forgotten, but there will be something different that is going to kill us all, and we have to regret our sins and give them our money to be saved. and it is always man-made.



in the satanic rituals, even lavey wrote about society having cycles. his 9 being one cycle is in my opinion a rounded-up 8.6 which is one business cycle.

and the cycles in nature directly correspond with the cycles in society and business. there are cycles to everything, warming-periods where civilization expands, cooling periods where civilization retracts.




talisman
talisman Mar 3
Because the climate change is not caused by humans. So why should one care? We can watch the ice in North Pole melt and watch polar bears lose their habitat inch by inch day by day and one day, we will develop gills and a brilliant underwater civilization. Why not?
Devil Warship

Here is a link to over 15,000 scientific papers published since 2000 on the effects of the AMO, or "Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation."


The only problem? It's now believed that there is no such thing as the "Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation"!


Over 15,000 scientific papers based on something that we now believe doesn't even exist. Imagine that!


See? Science is a process, not a set of religious beliefs. The science is never settled.


And, for the willful simpletons out there: No, I'm not arguing against science; I'm arguing that 1) the science is never settled; it is and should be always changing as we learn more, and 2) the name of "science" has always been, and will always be, abused in order to get the sheep to believe and behave in certain ways. It's not a conspiracy theory; it's human nature.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwzrhuC4dXg

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Dark Enlightenment
TV, Al Gore, and geologists familiar with Milankovitch Cycles. 


Earth is supposed to be warming. Interglacial periods, which we are in, have million years of observable data. From Greenhouse Earth to Snowball Earth, all in oxygen isotopes locked away in ice cores and geological record. 


In the past, anamolous rises and falls were impact event/volcanism related. They can trace even a 10 years long cooling event and place it exactly in line with Supervolcanic eruptions through the magic of isotope decay.  (Toba Supervolcano)


There could be, and cannot rule out a still unrealized cause, but to say it doesn't exist is rather simple.  It's a denial of greenhouse gases and something as simple as "humans (or unknown causes) are playing the role of volcano or other greenhouse emissions".  


I think people want to see a liberal conspiracy so much it's fighting confirmation bias, and while the global reaction is a total fucking meme that feeds the shit out the conspiracy, the warming really isn't. 


However, since the industrial revolution, humans have expelled copious amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. This has triggered an unnatural warming that has seen the Earth’s temperature rise dramatically over a short period of time. The average global temperature was 12˚C during the Last Glacial Maximum. During the following Interglacial period, the average global temperature slowly rose to 13.8˚C. Since 1880, it has increased another 0.6˚ degrees to 14.4˚C (as of 2015). This rate of warming is ~50 times faster than the rate of warming during the previous 21,000 years (Scotese, 2016).

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G.B.
G.B. Mar 8

https://youtu.be/ynVS2312otc


now i know some believe in this manmade global warming religion, and they praise the global warming messiah the holy greta.

they said the icecaps will be completely gone by 2013, london will  be completely underwater by 2020. 3 years ago they said we will all be dead in 10 years because of global warming.

we have global warming hypocritical politicians saying the oceans will rise but buy houses by the seaside. green politicians here in germany driving diesels but tring to ban everyone else from doing so. bill gates saying we have an overpopulation, but produces 3 children himself.

and these people are still believed and voted into office.


at least some who do believe this nonsense at least act upon their beliefs, becoming either vegans and going full eco, or quitting their job to party hard until the end, or becoming anarcho-nihilists.








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