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Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Jan 10 '21
A new country.


A hybrid party. Socialist Reform Conservative


An effective simultaneous secession of all 50 states in theory. 

One I just pulled out my ass and may be so communism-like unfeasible and unpossible that it's mock-worthy. 


The core principles are summed up easy enough.

Abolish IRS, income/asset, corporate, capital gains, and redundant taxes.

Change entire tax structure to point of sale.

Insert an option up to 25% Value Added Tax (excise taxes?) on all purchases, including adjusted rates for big money corporate acquisitions. Any purchase period. That plus local sales tax may not exceed 35%. (More below) 


In this hypothetical land buying a 400,000k house +25% becomes a half million dollar purchase you never again pay anyone a dime for, and when Uber buys Postmates for 20 billion in California and the rate has been decided at 20% for acquisitions, the state receives a one time 4 billion dollar tax fee. 


Include social services like healthcare and education to all who work, are trying to find work, or cannot perform work legitimately.  Like how you have to be sober and employed to live at halfway house; you have to employed (with unemployment protections) to benefit from anything in society.

To keep this from making it too centralized. States would be on their own. Responsible for residents of their own state. In this the tax amount could vary by state. California taxes for California's hospitals so that way Montana won't pay for California's fentanyl problem. Local jurisdictions would still have sales taxes with a VAT going to the respective state. 

Each state in turn would pay a proportional percentage to the Federal for defense and other things that can't be covered by the state. 


Each state can still have autonomy with local laws and enforcement. State's rights would still exist and be DRASTICALLY INCREASED to point of precedence. Each state effectively becomes it's own country with federal ambassadors. 


And because EVERY state won't let itself be told to go to a Nordic model. 


 In the event the individual state wants to keep a more typical tax structure, including income tax, and not implement a point of sale system, it's on them as long they pay their "rent" to the federal for the DoD and such.  So if Nebraska wants to tax like the IRS anually they are responsible for their own expenses and residents. 


Likewise In the event a state does not want socialized healthcare, they will not receive federal funds for public hospitals and will have to rely on in state or interstate owned private healthcare. In the case of the latter patients paying another state for those services. 


Interstate transactions or expenses would fall to the tax structure of the purchasing state. 

It's implementation would be impossible. 


In short: 


Abolish the fed, shift the burden of taxation, collection, and public services to the states, including allowing for VAT's, reducing the federal government to matters of foreign policy, global trade, environment, and national civil defence.  

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Phil_Lopian
Phil_Lopian Jan 10 '21
I refuse to be a citizen of your country, unless Standard California English is the official language. 
Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Jan 10 '21
California English is too tonal to spread beyond, like Tempe (East California) and shit. It's an inflection based spoken dialect of American English that may not have much of a reach. Particularly an upward ascending tonal inflection called a high-speed terminal. In this "yeah" has an acceptable spelling "yá", this reflecting the influence of Cantonese/Mandarin on the State's language and not at all related to The San Fernando Valley airhead WASP.


Strangely it's one of the few gender based tonal dialects on earth diverging along drawn out inflection. The feminine speaker goes up from middle. And the masculine speaker  draws out and tapers off slightly as it reduces itself in volume. The circa 2005 "brahh" is a good example of this. 


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Anna
Anna Jan 11 '21
I didn't know socialism goes so well together with decentralized government and tax reduction. Learn something new every day, I guess. For example, today I learned that my stupid government apparently wants to buy some hotels which are on the verge of bankruptcy caused by the restrictions imposed by... the government. This is not even  socialism. It's the return to communism.
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Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Jan 11 '21
Is that much different than say the American government stimulus bailouts? 


Like how all the major domestic airline carriers were subsidized by our governmernt. During the height of the first wave several hotels were converted to quarantine housing.  For example, The Hard Rock Hotel was taken over by The US Navy for their overflow cases (I'm guessing, they wouldnt say why they were there) who posted sentries at the doors. Intimidating. 


I must know more (since Google isn't helping), do they intend to sell to the properties to private investment (Like Marriot) after the Covid crises?  Or is it a sinister commie plot to convert them into old school Soviet block housing? 



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Phil_Lopian
Phil_Lopian Jan 11 '21
Some guys might find this place to be their utopia:



Anna
Anna Jan 11 '21
@DE,

I wouldn't call that a plot because the bankrupt companies bought by the state don't bring profit. It's a way to show the electorate that the state cares about the citizens and helps them. That the citizens have been screwed due to the actions of the state, itself, that is another story. Like just before the All Saints' Day the government ordered the cementaries to be closed for three days to prevent large groups of people from gathering there. The merchants who had their stalls near the cementaries complained they would lose money because during the All Saints Day people were buying chrysanthemums. So the prime minister decided the government would buy their chrysanthemums. The opposition was joking the ruling party was buying flowers for their own funeral.


I don't even think there is some method to this madness. Just plain stupidity. I think after the pandemic the state will have many more shares in various businesses but, just like it was in the late 80s or early 90s, many of them will not prosper and become shut down, leaving thousands of people unemployed. The electorate of the ruling party feels nostalgic about the "golden comunist times" when the state was not only controlling but also babysitting its citizens because it guaranteed them the feeling of safety and stability. History tends to repeat itself but not in an exactly the same way the stupid would wish. We are coming back, sure, but to early 90s, which marked the transition from communism to capitalism, the period of chaos, confusion, uncertainty and above all... poverty, which concerned large part of the society, not only a few unfortunate or lazy individuals. 

Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Jan 11 '21

Quote from Some guys might find this place to be their utopia:



That goes along with the Japanese penis whore festival on my bucket list. 


@ Anna, that sounds topless Asian. Here in the country of California we have a few hold out Lutherans. And in my city there is a defiant mega church that pays the fines and refuses to not hold  indoor service. Of course it's become a religilous platform of inalienable rights and liberal lockdown protocol agendas. They haven't had many outbreaks strangely enough.  And you can't keep the Chicanos out of the cemetery on Dia de los Muertos. 

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Anna
Anna Jan 11 '21
There are those who do not comply with the restrictions here too but they are the minority. Some priests didn't close the cementaries, the indoor services are allowed.


There are some business owners who risk paying fines and keep their businesses open. If they are punished, they are trying to fight in courts. However, the majority is compliant. I'm not sure why. I tend to think those who have nothing to lose and are desperate to survive are willing to take more risk. Perhaps, they can somehow get by on government support or have some savings of their own. 

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