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Sabrina
Sabrina Apr 17 '23
I was watching this video where this 14 year old killed his friend and admitted his actions very compliantly and politely to the investigator without any remorse or emotions for his dead friend

Even though he just turned only 14 when he murdered his friend, he still received a life sentence in prison.

A lot of people were glad that he received a life sentence because they think he’s a monster and born evil.

I don’t think kids are born evil, this kid was very fascinated with serial killers and enjoys gore. He knew murdering was wrong ethically or socially, but didn't think personally what he did was neither right nor wrong. He probably needed a logical explanation on why it’s wrong instead of just being told it’s wrong.

I know for sure that the solution to a 14 year old murderer isn’t life sentence in prison. But I’m not sure what the other solutions there may be, and would love to know your thoughts on it. Perhaps the kid could put his fascination with killing into a healthy expression like hunting or martial arts to integrate better with society? Do you think such individuals especially minors should serve life sentences instead of being provided with the help they deserve?

Here’s the link to the video for context https://youtu.be/eEHTB7ZVFm8
Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Apr 17 '23

Sounds like Alex just needed some of that ultra-violence. 


But Skynet has an interesting non-answer.


 "As an AI language model, I do not have an emotional dimension to answer this question. However, the case you presented is beyond the capacities of a virtual assistant, and it is essential to understand that the treatment of psychopathic behavior and tendencies usually requires professional intervention from psychologists, psychiatrists, and other medical professionals. 


 That being said, it is important to recognize that psychopathy is a severe mental disorder, and it is difficult to 'correct' or 'fix' such behaviors. However, early intervention may increase the likelihood of better long-term outcomes for the individual. 


 An assessment by a mental health professional would be the crucial first step in understanding the severity of the problem and devising a plan to manage violent or harmful tendencies. It is also essential to create a safe space and support system both for the victim and the offender. 


 Ultimately, it is the responsibility of mental health professionals and the justice system to ensure that justice is served while providing the necessary treatments for the offender."

The Forum post is edited by Dark Enlightenment Apr 17 '23
Anna
Anna Apr 18 '23
He should rot in prison. In spite of his young age, he knew what he was doing. It was a premeditated murder. It's in the interest of the whole society to isolate the psychopath for the rest of his damned life so that he no longer has a chance to pursue his morbid hobby which is murdering other people with cold blood.


I'm not sure why you think anyone should help him. Such people who have all the potential to be serial killers cannot be reprogrammed. The only solution is the isolation. I personally miss the electric chair though I heard lethal injection is a good spectacle too.

Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Apr 19 '23

Humans are the only mammals that find "murder for fun" abhorrent. Even fucking elephants kill for the morbid fun of it. Chimps, ESPECIALLY DOLPHINS, and of course killer whales do it too.


Yet humans, with our silly morality and control codes condemn those who do what almost every other animal in our taxonomic order does.


The only thing this kid did that was abnormal was kill his "best friend", which I agree, he needs to be removed for doing. But If him and the best friend went curb stomping homeless crack addicts, it's a different fucking story entirely. If they had a bond and even formed a larger gang to go around spilling the blood of the worthless, it's natural for a higher mammal species to do. 

The Forum post is edited by Dark Enlightenment Apr 19 '23
Anna
Anna Apr 19 '23
I view it as a disguised survival instinct. If in my area some cuckoo was running around killing random people, it would be in my best interest and in the best interest of all my neighbors abd everyone living nearby to have him neutralized. So that neither of us would be the next victim. In the same way the society has a natural right to weed out the individuals who pose the danger to the community. It might look like it has something to do with honor or morality but actually it's the matter of survival.
Sabrina
Sabrina Apr 19 '23
Quote from AnnaIn the same way the society has a natural right to weed out the individuals who pose the danger to the community
That would be reasonable if the perpetrator was an adult, but in this case it’s just a kid who just turned 14. It doesn’t make sense to give minors the same punishments as adults since their brains are less developed and they’re less experienced with society’s rules. It comes off as laziness on the justice system’s part, they couldn’t be bothered to come up with solutions or look at alternatives on how to deal with such types of children. I was hoping that they would put him in some sort of rehabilitation centre or something. 


If there’s anyone that should be prisoned, it should be the parents. How do they not know what their son was conspiring? The kid literally wrote all his plans down in his diary. He would also idolise other serial killers and would write gore related stuff much much longer ago than he carried out his killing. Also all the kids in his class would always have something odd to say about the perpetrator prior his killing. The parents couldn’t be bothered to add all these little warnings together and stayed ignorant to it all. It sounded like the parents weren’t close with their own child. 


Also most children don’t just randomly decide to kill, for that to happen, they must have been already exposed to violence in their own homes. The video didn’t enclose any of the perpetrator’s personal life, but if they did then it would’ve made sense. If people really don’t want serial killers in their society, then pick up a basic psychology book and treat your children properly. You can program children in all kinds of ways when their brains are still developing, so if your home isn’t a safe space for them then you get children with damaged brain. Also most parents couldn’t be bothered to be interested in their children and learn about their children’s personality, and interact with them according to their personality 



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Cornelius Coburn
Cornelius Coburn Apr 20 '23
Quote from Sabrina
That would be reasonable if the perpetrator was an adult, but in this case it’s just a kid who just turned 14. It doesn’t make sense to give minors the same punishments as adults since their brains are less developed and they’re less experienced with society’s rules.

Assessments here can be a slippery slope, so it may be deemed as reasonable to exercise a "benefit of the doubt" approach. Some juveniles may change over time while others don't; the differences in the thought process and behavior may culminate anywhere from negligible to an entirely different individual - perhaps something suitable for a psychologist to determine and they may not even know.


Their "brains", intellect, and mentality is undergoing a process yet to be observed. The key component here would be the Freudian id - the part that most will conceal to the public via the ego where the superego would be the observable part that everyone sees because they know it's what is acceptable to be seen; all evil stashed away in a dark dungeon somewhere that is the Freudian id - the true nature of the beast. Even evil itself is somewhat subjective of a term, and it means different things to different people where a general consensus would be required.


I do have a bit of firsthand experience. As a teenager living in a rural area I would often be lured to venture across the way beneath the cover of darkness by the sound of these croaking bullfrogs, and these fucking things were massive. It was basically nothing more than a mission of search and destroy with a Crossman pump-up pellet air rifle being the weapon of choice, and nowadays when I'm out and about on rainy days I began noticing these tiny toads/frogs hopping across the road and at first it was like "Oh shit, did I just hit another one.", so now that I became more aware of them I will actually swerve a bit to avoid. Well, that's one slice of the pie anyway.


I'd say I've changed a lot for the better since my younger years, and one other factor among many would be the difficulty to thrive and have a decent life in todays' world, and working some shitty job forty hours a week probably doesn't help matters much. You have relationships going bad, custody battles, ridiculous car payments and repos, foreclosures et cetera et cetera. If someone is living a miserable existence trying to make ends meet then that certainly doesn't help matters any, which is to say that positive change is more conducive to a positive environment which begins at childhood thereabouts.


Edit : yes, because I'd rather not have my post transformed into a wall of text; plus when I reread it just now I did notice a couple of mistakes.

The Forum post is edited by Cornelius Coburn Apr 20 '23
rigo666
rigo666 Apr 20 '23
Using nature, to validate a view or argument was once in vogue. This was way back, a couple decades ago, when gay people were beginning to say that one is born gay. The Christians countered that view by stressing that no creature in nature is born gay or engages in homosexual behavior. For awhile, the Christians used their nature argument to show that homosexuality was "unnatural." Until science began to discover that there was "homosexual" behavior, or same sex pairing in the animal kingdom. Then all of a sudden the Christians stopped using the nature argument, and began to reverse course by saying, 'just because it's in nature, doesn't mean humans should do it, we aren't animals!'


In order to use nature to validate human behavior, you would first need to demonstrate that humans are animals, and not special beings created in God's image. Even if we are animals, is it "good," "correct" for humans to behave like animals. If animals metabolize, have sex, fight, are territorial, hunt, gather, build, engage in same sex pairings, kill for amusement, should humans do so also? Shouldn't we strive to transcend that animal nature?

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Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Apr 20 '23

Totally get that mindset. Mine is a very ordinary argument. Not really special, a bit edgy for high school, but ultimately a copout to act ordinary.


Other behavior, par for the mammal course, is getting high off oxytocin released by predatory or clique behavior. Bullying, Gossip, and social shaming. That's pure animal. 


This through me through a loop...


"In order to use nature to validate human behavior, you would first need to demonstrate that humans are animals, and not special beings created in God's image."


Isn't it the other way around? Doesnt the the one arguing anthropomorphic origins need more QED on this one?


Like with the predatory behavior. Line up a pod of juvenile orcas with a pod of meat heads in the 80's. Just like Orcas find the "nerd" (weakling) orca to pick on, Humans have "Stop hitting yourself, nerd!"


The picked on may be frightened but to the pods they're feeding on all types of chemicals of acceptance and stratification. 


I'm no biologist, but if the body rewards certain behaviors it must be something committed to the genetic memory of the species. 


Watercooler gossip is no different. These are the ways we are all too animal.  


In about 10 years kids will circle the throwback 80's jock for using a deadname. They will draw their oxytocin from helping shame the new "nerd". 


That could actually lead to weaker species by socialluly upholding and striving for ultimately detrimental traits 

The Forum post is edited by Dark Enlightenment Apr 20 '23
Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Apr 20 '23
You can't go anywhere without seeing that oxytocin feeding animal either, even the Wall Street Journal. 


https://youtu.be/bl7IqyEyqhY


This is a video of Space X's Starship Test and Explosion.


Instead of labeling it as that, they feed their hatred of Elon Musk. It's not "Space X Launch Failure" its titled "Watch Elon Musk's Rocket Explode... with a needed addedum of, "...and then laugh at him for failing because he is now an enemy of our agenda to use the media to serve the democrat party. You will hate him for using Twitter as a conservative rallying platform, and spreading the misinformation that disrupts our progress." 


Not that Fox News or Newsmax are shining examples of integrity, or not equally at fault, but the days of objective journalism are gone. Christian Science Monitor is probably the last objective publication standing. Ironic? 


No one is striving to be transhumanist there either. They want to feed the same obsessive worms. The worms to condemn a 14 year old killer and slap on an added facade of disgust at his evil deeds are the same worms that label Wall Street Journal's video. Almost an unnatural morality instilled saying its time to really judge. I think there's too much fascination with the emotionless psycho to be entirely all disdain. Natural Born Killers made that point quite well.


People love it. Love the fight. Love the signs of evil, whatever they are. Love virtue signaling in opposition to evil they cant stop wanting to know about, and love the pat on the back. Watching things die from a good safe distance is very popular. A culture of vicarious social chemical addiction. 


Sorry, channeling Holden Caulfield. 

The Forum post is edited by Dark Enlightenment Apr 20 '23
Cornelius Coburn
Cornelius Coburn Apr 20 '23
Quote from rigo666 Using nature, to validate a view or argument was once in vogue. This was way back, a couple decades ago, when gay people were beginning to say that one is born gay. The Christians countered that view by stressing that no creature in nature is born gay or engages in homosexual behavior. For awhile, the Christians used their nature argument to show that homosexuality was "unnatural." Until science began to discover that there was "homosexual" behavior, or same sex pairing in the animal kingdom. Then all of a sudden the Christians stopped using the nature argument, and began to reverse course by saying, 'just because it's in nature, doesn't mean humans should do it, we aren't animals!'


In order to use nature to validate human behavior, you would first need to demonstrate that humans are animals, and not special beings created in God's image. Even if we are animals, is it "good," "correct" for humans to behave like animals. If animals metabolize, have sex, fight, are territorial, hunt, gather, build, engage in same sex pairings, kill for amusement, should humans do so also? Shouldn't we strive to transcend that animal nature?


The crux of the matter basically is that creatures are being brought into existence where you have this random Freudian id generator algorithm that initially seeds germinating personalities using DNA or other similar fundamental parameters and then the nurturing comes in on the fly to either augment or diminish these developmental parameters.


Just seems like the old chaos at the core again where creation is at odds with order and there is a continuous push and pull(Yin; Yang) in an attempt to maintain some sort of equilibrium with entropy ultimately winning over in the end some way perhaps and then of course the architect will have to reset the entire fucking matrix again.

Cornelius Coburn
Cornelius Coburn Apr 22 '23

This star system as well its many heavenly orbs out there floating around in the aether for nearly the last five billion years governed by universal laws that were fabricated at the dawn of time approximately fourteen billion years ago should all be nothing but common knowledge at this point.


I suppose the DNA or any other initial fundamental parameters were maybe just used to prime/kickstart a genesis program for any given star system although the abundance (if any) throughout the galaxy and remainder remains an unknown. Onced primed it would likely be self-sufficient at that point unless there are some additional parameters required for the creation of life on a perpetual basis from within this controlled environment.


The program itself would define the initial personalities when primed, with the remainder evolving throughout the lineage via various combinations of reproductions along with the added influence of environment and nurturing at some point.

Cornelius Coburn
Cornelius Coburn Apr 22 '23

You can't exactly blame an individual for their nature, but if not, then who else? Parents? Environment? Once again, it's more push and pull(Yin; Yang). The complex psyche of any given individual can serve as observer/mediator in and of itself - the Freudian id pulls in one way while the Freudian ego resists or pushes in another.


Is it just mere coincidence that a magnet exhibits forces of a similar nature or are these just fundamental forces/causes sharing a common root.

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