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thanks for the reply but what do you mean by the satanic bible has nothing to do with satanism? my understanding is that satanism (at lest laveyan) is a philosophy based around the image of satan who represents passion, carnality etc.

Satanic bibles are impossible because Satan is a god character that rejects any authorities in the myths from different cultures like hebrew, sumerian, egypt, persian or norse etc. 

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thanks again. i dont want to sound accusational at all but have you read it? its all about the rejection of religion, sprituality and myth. 

Yes, TSB was the first book I read on Satanism and if the book was objective about Satanism I would have discovered I was a Satanist when I read it... The problem with TSB is that it mislead people to believe that Satanism is some sort of atheist movement. It's bullshit. Satanism is a religion and those Satanists who consider Satan to be a symbol or archetype are known as symbolic or modern Satanists.

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thanks for the reply but what do you mean by the satanic bible has nothing to do with satanism? my understanding is that satanism (at lest laveyan) is a philosophy based around the image of satan who represents passion, carnality etc.

Satanic bibles are impossible because Satan is a god character that rejects any authorities in the myths from different cultures like hebrew, sumerian, egypt, persian or norse etc. 

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thanks again. i dont want to sound accusational at all but have you read it? its all about the rejection of religion, sprituality and myth. 

Yes, TSB was the first book I read on Satanism and if the book was objective about Satanism I would have discovered I was a Satanist when I read it... The problem with TSB is that it mislead people to believe that Satanism is some sort of atheist movement. It's bullshit. Satanism is a religion and those Satanists who consider Satan to be a symbol or archetype are known as symbolic or modern Satanists.

Quote from orange_juice Hey guys,

I have no idea really what the occult is or where to start with it but I'm really interested. I have some questions about it:

1. What is it? What's it about?

2. Does it have anything to do with cults? (probably a silly question)

3. I'm sure it's more of a book thing than anything else, what books should I read?

I've read the satanic bible by Anton LaVey and found myself looking into a mirror and now consider myself a satanist. But I sometimes wonder if there is more out there.

Thanks :)

-orange_juice

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it seems you have a big beef with atheistic/spiritual satanist

No, symbolic Satanists and traditional Satanists are of the same religion, so I consider them both to be my religious brothers and sisters. My problem is only CoS and TSB. Many symbolic Satanists left CoS and created other organisations such as the satanic temple and the sect of the horned god. When it comes to the history of Satanism then we can only conclude that Satan, the LHP and the pentagram predates even monotheism which leads me to believe that Satanism is one of the oldest religions in the world. 

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it seems you have a big beef with atheistic/spiritual satanist

No, symbolic Satanists and traditional Satanists are of the same religion, so I consider them both to be my religious brothers and sisters. My problem is only CoS and TSB. Many symbolic Satanists left CoS and created other organisations such as the satanic temple and the sect of the horned god. When it comes to the history of Satanism then we can only conclude that Satan, the LHP and the pentagram predates even monotheism which leads me to believe that Satanism is one of the oldest religions in the world. 

Source?

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One of the oldest religions would have a lot of sources to site, don't you think?

Sources of the roots of Satan, the LHP and the pentagram? 

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Satanism is a religion and not a philosophy. 

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Quote from pyro To make a valid point you can not use the phrase it is when "we talk about religion" you need to bring up the history of your religion when it started i.e year,century and the people that started it. 

Satanism in ancient times was cults as any mythology has a version of Satan (Seth or Arihman for example). It was first during the rise of the hippie movement it was safely to unite these cults into a religion. The problem with CoS is that it has destroyed Satanism after the creation of TSB and satanic statements. Nothing is more oxymoronic than "satanic statements" and "satanic bible"!

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You clearly don't understand the point... Satan is not one character but an umbrella of a group of god characters that were rebels and accusers.

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You clearly don't understand the point... Satan is not one character but an umbrella of a group of god characters that were rebels and accusers.

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Name something you have actually studied about Set or Arihman, and any feelings you might have experienced on a personal level doesn't interest me. It seems the only actual observable historical facts you can spew out could be obtained from watching a documentary about the Church of Satan or glancing over the Satanic Bible while simultaneously plotting in your mind to call it bullshit online in hopes to be perceived as the edgy one. Please try to answer this directly and restrain yourself from your giving an opinion on a truth claim, Why do you consider Set or Arihman a version on Satan? Btw if I am correct in assuming your lack of academic studying then I would recommend reading some Michael Ford, your posts seem to be the poor mans version of his work.

Study and learn about the history of Satan. I'm not responsible for your ignorance. Satan is promoted as the adversary, the rebel and the accuser derived from the ancient hebrew Ha-Satan. You have no sources to base your views on because you have no authority to hide behind. Satan is and will be the only source to the satanic religion! No dogma, no bibles, no authorities and no rules!