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Really intresting, thanks! I will look into it a little more, starting with finding a midrash I read about in a book. Apparently it´s about a conversation between God and Samael, before the creation of man. And I guess Satan and Samael pretty much is the same individual? 

AK:

If Samael would be equal to Satan, it feels like it would be hard to claim Satans existence to be independent of God. If his name means "poison/wrath of god", he more sounds like an instrument of God, and in other words, created by God. Although, the early rabbis did not seem to have any problem with altering the bible when writing their "midrash´s".

Seeker:

As I said earlier, this is not intended to be a discussion about Satans (or Gods) existence. I just want to clarify the story of Satan from a mythological perspective. There are numerous websites claiming Satan to be all sort of things. Even though you are free to believe anything you want, I don´t like when some people are altering old sources to justify their beliefs. There is one "truth" regarding the origin of Satan, and the stories about him.

I think it would be really intresting to have "the whole story". The psyche of man works pretty much the same way as it did back then, when these stories were written. Since Satan always have been connected to sin and the forbidden aspects of life, I believe that there are som kinds of lessons to be learned by reading his story in a modern satanic perspective. Mythology contains archetypes, which corresponds with various functions and emotions of the human mind.

I want to find "evidence" of Satan predating God. In other other religions the "evil" gods usually predates the "good" gods. And why would the jewish/christian mythology be any diffrent in that matter? The only thing I have found to support this idea is Leviathan being mentioned in a psalm that I talked about earlier, and Satan being referred to as "the old serpent" in Rev 12:9.

As I said, I also want to clearify the diffrence (or similarities) between Satan and Lucifer. They usually seem to be two diffrent characters, until you read Luke 10:18: "He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven"". Since this is from the new testament, could it be that the idea of Lucifer already had been misunderstood and widley accepted among the christian schoolars?