White Male Dominance in Satanism | Forum

As for it being a man thing... I'm not sure. It could have something to do with the orgy reputation. A lot of women probably think that if they touch it they have to perform. Generally speaking, sex tends to scare women more than men.

it's true that females get the "short end of the stick" when it comes to the "white heterosexual male privilege" [ol' grimey] especially in esoteric organizations such as the OTO... which makes me wonder about the OT Ho, just say'n. and as for ol'grimey's quote: "I am a twelve year old Chinese girl", that just made me think of Noodle, the lead guitarist for the Gorillaz... but she is Japanese and her age bounced around from first being seventeen, then 10, later changed to thirteen and progressively aging ever since... never mind, my bad.

I don't know. I mean women have their place and it's not as de facto men, as the regressive left is trying to portray them as and convincing them that they are. Women have it hard only in their heads when they want to usurp men by wearing the pants, putting themselves in roles held by men in their quest to caricature equality, which means equal -fair and equitable treatment the same as men, not the "anything you can do, I can do better, because I am woman, so hear me roar" mentality. The regressive left has completely caricatured equality as an equal amount of women in this position or that to that of men, in the case of WHMP that's the delusion and the belief that there is an international western conspiracy of White Heterosexual Males to keep women and other minorities implied by the phrase from achieving anything, if they desire to achieve something like the carrot dangled from a stick called "success". They even extended it to age, race and gender in the sense of saying explicitly the latter two are social constructs, where if a man feels like a woman, then he is a woman and vice versa, or that a Nigerian woman who feels she is a Norwegian man, is such and implicitly with age, in the case of that forty year old man who feels himself to be a six year old girl forces people to view, treat and speak of these people as they misidentify themselves as.

"Facts don't care about feelings", if I may so say.

In which case, feeling that as a woman you should be in positions traditionally occupied by men and that have men written all over them, or as a forty seven year old man who feels that he is a six year old girl does not/should not grant them the audacious right to be given these positions nor be treated like a six year old girl, being forced to treat him and refer to him as such and allowing him to play with the kindergarten class. These things do not make for these people actually being as they identify themselves, or think they ought to be treated as and thought of as how they identify themselves as. That's lunacy. Yes, they have a right to identify however they want, but no one has the right to be forced to kowtow to their demands, their delusions and treat them with any kind of unearned privilege. This is the only actual privilege on a systemic/systematic level that exist. 

In the case of the Gorillaz guitarist, she just wanted to stay longer in the music game, but real factual "time" is showing and feeling like she is perpetually prepubescent isn't going to change that fact of Life.

We seemed to have gone from talking about women as Satanists to women as Occultists. I think we need to remember that Satanism is different to Occultism.

Traditional secret men's organisations like Freemasons was not only off limits to women but to middle and lower class men. They were organisations for powerful people to come together to collectively forward their own ambitions etc.

Secondly, as far as studying Occultism in books back in the day... A lot of people couldn't read and certainly only the well-to-do could afford a good education. Even if a commoner had a basic reading skill, it doesn't mean he could afford a book! Books were hand written and then eventually produced by small printing blocks and were as expensive as hell. The average man could not have afforded to study the occult! And women were thought to be mentally incapable of anything beyond brushing their hair!

I would not agree that women don't traditionally have an interest in magic and the occult. During their younger years they are preoccupied with family, and that takes time. Especially when you are hand washing for a husband and six kids, etc. But women did embrace the lesser magic stuff - maybe because they had access to it, which leads me to believe that lack of access had more influence than lack of interest.

I'm right wing also (and don't get me started on regressives) and have spoken in other threads how I believe the women's movement has gone too far and thrown everything out of balance. It is damaging society and has affected me in a negative way. I spent my whole life feeling guilty because I wasn't interested in a career - I was more project driven than career driven, even though academically I kicked arse (especially in the thought of male dominated area of maths). I was content to be the wind under a man's wings and a mother. But that is not to say that some women aren't very capable of and inclined to going head to head in a man's world and good for them. It would be a foolish society to rein in pioneers in any area just because they were female. 

I agree, some occupations were never meant to be dual gender. I don't however believe that studying the Occult is one of them. As I said earlier, women may not get a lot of time when they are young, but old Crones are famous for it. The kids are grown and they have nothing better to do than take the mickey out of the world and fuck shit up! 

Ps. Chances are I'll be an old crone in several years. (practices evil cackle).

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I wasn't implying that women have no place in occultism, or in this case Satanism, only I'm speaking on their seeking positions within the various organizations that are the men's domain. Yeah, there are plenty of women who are so inclined and capable, they're called power lesbians. It's like you said non power lesbian women, i.e. heterosexual women have their inclination with spending their youthful years focused on home and family with application and study of lesser magic here and there when/where needed. It's not a woman's place to seek, or even expect to get the position of high office in any satanic or even occult or other organization, unless they are so inclined and desirous as power lesbians; the Rachel Maddows of Satanism.

Usually when somebody wants to control something and allocate it a place (or a cage) it is because they are fearful of what it might do if it were free. 

You get more out of a horse if you loosen the reins and let it have its head! It is better to harness its power rather than  expend your energy trying to suppress it. What a waste!

Quote from ShadowLover Lol! A woman's place... Seriously? 

Usually when somebody wants to control something and allocate it a place (or a cage) it is because they are fearful of what it might do if it were free. 

You get more out of a horse if you loosen the reins and let it have its head! It is better to harness its power rather than  expend your energy trying to suppress it. What a waste!

Quote from ShadowLover I'm confused... Are you saying that women have an enormous but unstable power like a nuclear reactor, or that we have no power like the moon? 

Quote from satanic_kitty Dude... I'm not a feminist - in fact, I hate feminism - but how can you make such generalizing negative statements about women? I'm not saying that it's not true that many women are emotional or so, but nonetheless, your generalizations aren't right either. I know many women who keep their emotions in check (not all women are crazy feminists), and I also know many men who are emotionally labile and could hardly be a good CEO. 

Keep in mind that by making such generalizing statements about women you become just the opposite of a feminist - and equally crazy. 
And if you didn't want your statements to apply to all women, you need to make that clear by saying that there are exceptions to your statements. 

Any woman that isn't over emotional is out of this world. Dig? Human females are hard wired to be emotional, but without that male potency and activity to her reactivity, the emotions run wild to hysteria, causing them to act in hysterical ways. So let me be clear, I'm not generalizing about women, I'm generalizing the facts of femaleness, to say women is speaking about a specific kind of female, the adult variety. Maturity has nothing to do with it, it's the gender itself we are talking about.

"thinking like a man..." doesn't cut it. Females can bottle their emotions; ignore them, suppress them, but still their barometers burst when conditions are right. Men who are femalelike, in the way you describe above, are aberrations.

Quote from satanic_kitty Also, I want to ask you if you've ever had a girlfriend/wife and what your experiences were (or any other woman; I only chose girlfriend/wife because you can choose them, unlike your mother/sister/aunt etc.). I don't want to get too personal or so. I'm just asking because, if you have that disrespectful view of women, it must have an effect on your choice of a girlfriend/wife. This means in your case that, since you think women are inferior to men and have uncontrollable emotions that need to be kept in check, you choose a woman who has just those features that you despise: uncontrollable emotions, no skills, no power etc. So it makes it almost impossible for you to get to know/be with an intelligent woman that you would actually respect, since such women would probably not want to be with someone like you who disrespects them simply because of their gender to begin with. You know what I mean? 

Quote from Margaret Poole *looks at the majority of the comments* Well that went sideways quickly now didn't it ? As a Satanist who is neither male nor white I find the theories tossed about here pertaining to the topic of this thread quite interesting. 

Tell me, do female Chapter Heads stick in your craw too? Or does that level of leadership not offend you? Would you attend a Chapter gathering if the Chapter was run by a female?

Quote from ShadowLover @Grimey. What a big, ugly, scary existence you must experience when you are repelled by at least half the population on the planet. Sucks to be you, I guess. Lmao! 

Tell me, do female Chapter Heads stick in your craw too? Or does that level of leadership not offend you? Would you attend a Chapter gathering if the Chapter was run by a female?

First, my question to you is, has Wiccanism spilled over into Satanism?

Now, female chapter heads aren't the problem any more than they are in any position of power and influence within these orgs, as long as they have the male in the forefront, not female only managed chapters/grottoes/covens, or what have you. As to the last question, if it's only a psychic black hole, who is officiating without the male there to counter/balance her absorbing all energy raised, then probably not, I wouldn't be there in order to be food source for a female solely in charge.