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Granted. However the point I'm making is that just because some one says their failings are not their own fault, does not mean they are not taking responsibility, it may very well be the fault of others, even if the person has APD according to doctor know it all's limited understanding about a phenomenon he knows nothing about. Further, my point is doctor know it all's blanket judgment/assessment means nothing on the individual basis. And so no one's, even an "APD"'s failings can't be automatically dismissed based on doctor know it all's taking things at face value, thinking he knows what he's talking about, because his degree gives him the magical power of knowing what he's talking about, though he may not know at all in actuality.

You can't escape from your disorders no matter how many excuses you make.

The psychiatrist is educated in mentally illness and disorders and it's that kind of doctor I will recommend to you because he will know better than me. 

The point I am making what you don't seem to comprehend is that even a monkey/ape/chimpanzee/gorilla... can be educated in things, including psychiatry. Does that mean the ape would necessarily know what it's talking about, just because it's going on face value, referencing it with it's memorized information and going from there?

The point is that in my book I don't put vested interest in the words of know it alls who gives one diagnosis based on arbitrary or even superficial face value surface things. 

I have seen people labeled bipolar, only to have the label changed to PSTD, I have seen people labeled PTSD simply for being in a car accident, becoming stuck in that moment and so relive that moment every time they go for a drive in the same context as the original accident- sitting in the passenger seat, going round a sharp turn. Now you are honestly telling me that a person has become permanently disordered because they choose to remain stuck in a moment reliving it every time context is there, because doctor know it all has convinced them and the world of it, when they can easily delete such things?( I have got over many of things doctor know it all would call post trauma) If so, then I am not the one who needs some kind of help. Pills don't make things go away. Pills don't solve the problem, they only mask things and at times exasperate things; make shit worse than were to begin with.   Despite what you say, I am in agreement with scientology over the bogusness of psychiatry, an institution of quake know it alls. Period.

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Quote from ShadowLover @Frater. I don't believe for one second that Grimey is a psychopath. He may want to identify with it because to do so would give him a sense of control over his life - in his head psychopathy is prestigious.

I don't believe that necessarily but he shows personal disorders. I actually don't think he have megalomania because people with megalomania would not say that they were supreme to feed their ego.

For fuck sake, I'll play along with you. okay, let's say that I am feeding my ego, so fucking what, it's mine to feed and I am entitled to feed it for whatever reason. If I feel for very good reasons that I am supreme, then so fucking what. Why is a feeling of superiority considered a sickness? Oh, that's right doctor know it all has convinced muggle heads like you that it's the case.

Let me ask you, isn't Einstein superior to the local woman with down syndrome? Yes.

Isn't a surgeon superior to a janitor? Yes. So with your "logic" based on what you repeat from doctor know it all, am I to believe that if Einstein based on the reason of his intellect felt his superiority over the retarded bitch is deluded, or is ill for his superiority of intellect over the retarded bitch? Am I to believe that the surgeon by reason of his expertise and skills who feel his superiority over the man who isn't so skilled and who has expertise only in cleaning shitty toilets is sick, or ill for his superiority of skill?

"There are people who are more intelligent and more skilled than others but they don't behave like you do"

Not every one is the same, not everyone behaves the same and if they "behave like I do" that doesn't mean they don't know the consequences of their actions. Remember what I said about taking things on face value?  Face value- 2. apparent worth or value, as opposed to real worth. In other words, making a surface assumption about something based on what is seemingly to be the case on the surface.

Satanism may not be about superiority, but I sure as hell am all about it personally speaking as an individual. And for the very reasons of my intellect and my progress with Satanism over the years, to name a couple reasons, do I know that I am superior over the failures and losers in such areas.

Dr. John Breeding, Ph.d, psychologist speaking on the bogusness of psychiatry. Part 1.

Psychiatry an industry of death

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There is no reason to believe you are superior as you need to convince people you are superior... 

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That makes no sense. I've told you a couple reasons why I deem myself superior and still you FAIL to grasp it. I'm not trying to convince any one of anything, I don't give a damn if you don't, can't and are incapable of knowing what I know. Sounds like you are the one trying to convince me of something, namely that I'm supposedly ill, or disordered because doctor know it all in psychiatry have convinced you of make believe illnesses and disorders. You remind me of a victim of a cult, in this case the cult of psychiatry.

You can talk shit about your superiority all you want but it's not our words that make us to who we are but our choices... Your arguments are also based on a straw man as I have never stated that i listen to psychiatrist but I know there are people who are more skilled than myself on other subjects... 

Exactly! and all my choices have all been proactively sound choices and for this reason I am BETTER THAN; superior to those who just react to things around them. Its not a straw man, merely insisting about "mental illnesses" and "disorders" is listening to what quake psychiatrists make up based on arbitrary shit, like behavior that's not the norm....QUAKERY!

       

You can talk shit about your superiority all you want but it's not our words that make us to who we are but our choices... Your arguments are also based on a straw man as I have never stated that i listen to psychiatrist but I know there are people who are more skilled than myself on other subjects... 

 

Arbitrary

1. subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion

4. capricious; unreasonable; unsupported:

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Exactly! and all my choices have all been proactively sound choices and for this reason I am BETTER THAN; superior to those who just react to things around them. Its not a straw man, merely insisting about "mental illnesses" and "disorders" is listening to what quake psychiatrists make up based on arbitrary shit, like behavior that's not the norm....QUAKERY!

 

You don't know shit what you are talking about. You can talk shit of your superiority all you want but it only makes you more stupid to listen to and that's my point.

You are obviously the one who doesn't what they are talking about. You claim I don't know because you can't comprehend what I'm talking about, now that's a perfect example of a straw man. 

" but it only makes you more stupid to listen to and that's my point."

Resorting to the infantile doo doo head defense as your type does when backed in the corner with truth and can't get out once all repeated memorized information have been exhausted, that is to say all used up does not do anything.

    

 

You don't know shit what you are talking about. You can talk shit of your superiority all you want but it only makes you more stupid to listen to.

Arbitrary

1. subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion

4. capricious; unreasonable; unsupported:

In other words psychiatry's bullshit.

"Wow, how come there are so many non woman related things included in the characteristics of misogyny, I had thought it was squarely all about being sour grapes about women?"
Misogyny is a complex thing. The term gets thrown around a little too much these days for my liking... It is based in failed relationships with mother figures. Often it is a situation where the mother was sweet - too sweet and submissive to protect the child from an abusive father. Other times the mother is the abusive one. 
Misogyny are behaviours developed by the son so the vulnerability he experienced as a child won't be tolerated in his adult life. If the mother was passive he will have no respect for women because they are clearly unable to protect him. If she was the abuser then obviously women are bitches. But the behaviour, although began with women can filter into other areas - especially when women are everywhere. 
Because males are naturally dominant, when abused they usually go into control overdrive whereas females who are abused as children often become easier to control.
Misogynous men have a battle ahead of them if they want to heal and enjoy the fruits one can only experience from a place of vulnerability. It is possible, but most people, not just men, never change. I can only remind you, because I know you are a proud man, that a fear of being vulnerable is still a fear and it would be beneficial to you to make peace with it and put it in its place. But you're not stupid and I probably don't have to tell you that. 
As for the little boy who accepted that his future was demolished. Remind him that change is neither good nor bad, but change only. The future he planned may not now be possible but he still has a future and it is not yet written. I would tell him to go to plan B. If he doesn't have one - get one! If plan B is fucked - get a plan C. But never give up on a book that hasn't yet been written.
The hardships we go through are what builds our character. The personalities we develop are coping mechanisms to help us deal with the hardships. We can transcend our personalities including misogynous ones. All they do is trap us in an endless cycles. 
I enjoy the Tarot Cards and the wisdom they teach. At face value The Tower looks like an explosion where everybody crashes to the ground. I used to see the Tower Card and think, "Oh fuck!" But there is another way of looking at that card... The explosion represents the catastrophes that happen in our lives that are unavoidable. People usually crash into the ground during these times, frantically clawing at the wall the whole way down. What the Tower teaches us is that if you stop clinging and spread your arms and let go, you will catch the updraught and will be delivered to the earth unharmed. Another way of saying this is spread your wings and fly. 
Letting go of the wall, or behaviours/personalities developed to protect us, can be terrifying. Nothing is scarier I don't think. But if we don't let go we will never fly and reach our full potential.
But let me know what you think of the EFT Tapping. It could help a lot - takes the sting out of things. What I like about it is that instead of being based on positive affirmations you get to tap into the authentic feeling like wanting someone to burn in hell etc. lol. That's why it works. Then the tapping somehow negates it.

 I hear you on keeping open an unwritten book, in that sense I am highly optimistic. However, when it comes to plans B and C I think, considering  my age that it's pretty much useless, meaning I take these alternative steps to achieve, only to have like two days to enjoy it, lol since I most likely be 99 years old once that achievement happens. Plan B and C implies a "it's never too late" philosophy, which I understand to mean that it's never too late to settle for 2nd, 3rd, or even 100th best and I've never been one to just settle, for me it has always been all or nothing at all.

Oh, the EFT tapping looks pretty nifty, but I never been one to get anxious over anything to actually need anything like that, plus, I've always been able to separate feelings from facts so to speak, so nothing really overwhelms me emotionally; I've always been able to turn the dial up or down when needed.

As for misogyny, I may have a sour grapes attitude about women, basically seeing them all as bitches due to an abusive mother- emotionally neglectful(that goes for the entire family, along with the peer group at the time) and sheltering and trying to-but in a sense without success- instill a sense of perpetual dependence on her, the extent of my misogyny is a disdain for emasculating women, but still as my nature is, it's not a huge affair that consumes me, if you know what I mean. I have a shallow affect that runs deep in all areas of my life, to where nothing is really all that big of a deal to me, even that what I look down on. Does that make sense? 

It's just that 1. If I had to choose help from either a psychologist or a scientologist auditor, I would choose the scientologist auditor. 2. I am not one to ascribe to that "you've been damaged/scarred, now you must have the help of some one with a PH.D that magically makes them capable of knowing what they are talking about" philosophy. 3. I have been capable of confronting and handling everything on my own capabilities and wits over the years so far and I don't need accredited know it alls foisting their opinions onto me, based on what they've memorized from their text books and know it all professors who foist their opinions onto them based on what they've memorized from their standard text books... no offence.

if I forever hate THE bitch responsible for it's responsibility and it's entire equally fucked up family for any short comings, or whatever, it isn't unwarranted and I don't need any one to rid me of this hate, because it isn't socially acceptable to hate your family members, especially to hate the bitch that pushed you out her womb, at all for any reason. Despite the opinion of know it alls, that doesn't necessarily result in Ted Bundy, or Martin Bryant and Ed Kemper style eruption. I speak from experience, the experience of not having a lick of consumption by past indignities eating away at me, resulting in the compulsive lashing out that know it alls presume happens in the case of some one being "damaged", or whatever.  In other words, I am well capable of proactively using my head and things do not get to me at all; the upside of having shallow affect. :)

I've gotten through life just fine all these many years without recourse to accredited drug dealers, i.e. psychiatrists and without accredited know it alls who think they know better than me, because of their being awarded a piece of paper for good memorizing, repeating skills from preschool upward to getting their magical know it all PH.D.

I'll open by saying, there's a thin line, between madness and... I've always been aware of my blurred line nature; am I an angel or  a devil, am I mad or am I a genius. I know which side is which and to paraphrase Lavey, I am nine parts respectability, to one part rascality; within reason. In other words, I play the fool, almost instinctively; the rascal in me, yet with in my rascality, there is the sly man, to say it in a word. My world view is a product of experience and my subjective summation of that experience, but doesn't all science amount to that, the same as any other plausible model? The point I am making is, science isn't the substitute for gospel truth, or the conclusions of science, philosophy, religion, politics, economics... are the same, in that they all are based on experience and subjective summation. Ultimately, Everything is an absolute mystery; we can only know of and/or about everything/anything, we can never truly know them.. as they are..at least now. We can only know that As It Is, is known to be unknown, try saying that fives time fast.

Anyway, to get right into it, you say first, that I think people are evil, only to add that psychology isn't ultimately about opinions; that is an opinion. The fact, however, is that one, I don't see people as evil; the funny thing is that people tend to see me as evil and plenty have referred to me as such. With that I agree with you that there are parts of my self I can not be aware of, yet I am aware of those parts, in that I learn to know those parts by knowing people's response to me, in context, as well as over all.

Two, by you making that assessment you are doing just what I said, making an opinion influenced by a combination of textbooks, professors, and subjective summation; you are making an assessment based on opinion. Truly I am omnipresent, by way of circumspection. I have the talent of putting myself in other's shoes, learning about them, where they are coming from and learning about those parts unawares to me, by seeing myself as others see me. Only, I don't seek to eliminate, or change or even suppress what others find undesirable in me, because some pundit suggest that it's the correct/ordered/normal thing to do; that's other peoples' problem, not mine. The thing is,I don't believe people are evil, or whatever you said, that's your opinion. Thefact is, I am not concerned at all about people, they are background noise to me, over all.    

They only serve the purpose of being the gauge of the parts of myself I can't be aware of without their response; objects in the truest sense as anything outside of yourself is, or ever can be. I am on an other level, you nor anyone else can begin to comprehend, you are looking at me as the blind men was "looking" at the elephant.

Lastly, What I may or may not feel in any given moment has no effect/affect on my actions; if I'm feeling depressed, or lazy, I don't enact depression or laziness. If you know what I mean? I don't act or behave depressed, lazy, or anything I may happen to feel at any given moment, or more precisely, I don't get compulsively carried away by any feeling I may be experiencing at any given moment.

 I hate certain behaviors, actions done by people, actions/behaviors that make them look like self righteous, know it all hypocrites, though hypocrites by omission, not necessarily commission and in that they are truly ignorant of themselves, as you opine I am,based on your punditolatry.

How did the very first adept, become an adept, if he was the first one to reach that state before anyone else?

I don't suppress emotions, trust me I allow them to flow. But like I said, I'm not carried off by them in a compulsive haze like so called normal people. I know the difference between suppression and shallow affect, I'm in the latter stream, I have never felt offense at anything a day in my life and it's not because I suppress the feeling of offensiveness, its just not there. I have never felt sadness in the way typical so called normal person would, I don't suppress sadness. if/when I do feel something like sadness, its so shallow that though I may have a frown for a minute or two, I don't mope around dragging my head on the ground and stuff like so called normal people.

Am I an Agnostic? kind of, sort of. To use an already coined term, I can fall under the heading of 'Model Agnostic', if you want to apply a label to me.

Quote from satanic_kitty Simply being able to do that, no. But if you do it all the time with negative emotions (e.g. hate, fear, disappointment) and if you don't deal with those negative emotions later on, yeah, it would be suppression.