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johnnywatts Sep 20 '14

Hello guys and gals,

I'm going to be speaking tomorrow about Satanism, specifically LaVeyan, for a student organization.

I've got most of it done now, but I just wanna shoot this post out to see what others think should be included in just such a presentation.

So far, I've got:

-Fake Satanism (Gothic and The Satanic Panic)

-Brief History of LaVey

-Core Beliefs

--Satanic Statements

--Rules of The Earth

--Satanic Sins

-Satanic Magic

--Lesser

--Greater

-Further Reading Material

Do you think something else should be included? I might end up doing this every semester, so refinements and polishing are expected.

Let me know.

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Zach Black Sep 20 '14

This maybe of interest.

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johnnywatts Sep 20 '14

Quote from Zach_Black This maybe of interest.

That's a fantastic speech. I actually ended up understanding more about the Satanic Panic, and will incorporate some of it into my talk.

Thanks!

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johnnywatts Sep 20 '14

Quote from Moloch666 You have to remember that Laveyanism is a philosophy and has nothing to do with Satanism. Laveyans does not perform satanic magic because they consider it unnecessary. Atheist Satanists do because deities can be used to learn something about one's unconscious properties. The atheist call it psychodrama.

It is very important to understand that Satanism is not based on any doctrine and therefore would Satanists always have different definitions.
The only reason why it's known as "Satanism" is because of the ritual focus on a Satan.

LaVeyan Satanists do not perform magic? Pretty sure they do, considering around half of TSB deals with magic.

Anna Sep 20 '14

Either this Moloch/Chrode is extremely dumb or he's a troll trying out everybody's patience.

@Moloch Read the Book of Belial.

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johnnywatts Sep 20 '14

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Quote from Moloch666 You have to remember that Laveyanism is a philosophy and has nothing to do with Satanism. Laveyans does not perform satanic magic because they consider it unnecessary. Atheist Satanists do because deities can be used to learn something about one's unconscious properties. The atheist call it psychodrama.

It is very important to understand that Satanism is not based on any doctrine and therefore would Satanists always have different definitions.
The only reason why it's known as "Satanism" is because of the ritual focus on a Satan.

LaVeyan Satanists do not perform magic? Pretty sure they do, considering around half of TSB deals with magic.

Laveyanism is not the same as Atheistic Satanism.

Do define the difference between "Laveyanism" as you call it and Atheistic Satanism then.

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Zach Black Sep 20 '14

Moloch666 - Why does it always come down to this with you? We get it, you do not think LaVeyan/Atheistic is not real Satanism.

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johnnywatts Sep 20 '14

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Do define the difference between "Laveyanism" as you call it and Atheistic Satanism then.

Atheism is simply the absence of belief in supernatural powers. When Satanism is not based on any doctrine, so it does not requires a belief in something specific. Satanism is therefor a tool and not a faith.
The reason that Satanism is called a religion, is because magic is a religious tool.

Satanic Statements, Rules of The Earth and Satanic Sins is Laveanism because it is LaVeys philosophy.

It's obvious then that this is merely sentiment, and won't be an issue for 99% of people out there listening to this.

Quote from Zach_Black Moloch666 - Why does it always come down to this with you? We get it, you do not think LaVeyan/Atheistic is not real Satanism.

So this is something that he feels strongly about? It's up to him I guess.

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Orgasmic Karmatic. Sep 21 '14

The point is, dude, that your narrow minded view of what is Satanism, doesn't apply in a classroom setting in which the speaker is covering Satanism on a whole. You are insisting on one very small/slight piece of the puzzle.

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Orgasmic Karmatic. Sep 21 '14

You are completely missing the boat on this one.

First of all, nothing in the statement of mine that you have quoted had anything to do with me stating otherwise when it came to using "Satan" in "magic work".

What I did say, however, was that in a piece covering a broad spectrum of Satanism, meant to be used in a classroom, your opinion is a very small faucet of it.

I don't need to tell you anything about Satan. I'm not a Satanist nor do I care for your silly little archetypes and how they correlate with your atheistic/theistic viewpoints on what is the true Satanism really is and how it should be taught. Fact of the matter is, throughout all the years that I have a been a part of this site, there is always someone just like you who seems to think that they can properly assert what Satanism entails. Quite frankly, your antics are more annoying than informative.

It always boils down to opinion and lack of doctrine.. but Satanism DOES have a doctrine of sorts and also it's own dogmatic practices even if that is a dirty word to most.

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johnnywatts Sep 21 '14

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Quote from OrgasmicKarmatic You are completely missing the boat on this one.

Can i ask how?

Quote from OrgasmicKarmatic First of all, nothing in the statement of mine that you have quoted had anything to do with me stating otherwise when it came to using "Satan" in "magic work".

It was meant as a question. You say that I am narrow-minded, but the only thing I'm trying to understand is what the archetype of Satan can be used to when you are not working with magic.

Quote from OrgasmicKarmatic It always boils down to opinion and lack of doctrine.. but Satanism DOES have a doctrine of sorts and also it's own dogmatic practices even if that is a dirty word to most.

Satanism is not based on any doctrine, but Satanists can choose to follow one if they wish. There are also those who write their own dogma in their magical book known as a grimorie.

I would never say who are the true and false Satanists, but I don't like people who use "Satan" to attention and rebellion. They are not different from those which burn churches or killing people in the name of Satan.

The archtype of Satan, outside of magic, is used as a symbol of Man. The good parts, and also the failings of Man.

Satan the challenger, the accuser, etc.

Satan represents Man's pride, carnality, liberty, enlightenment and undefiled wisdom.

The above all fall under LHP's two primary traits:

1) Rejection of arbitrary authority

2) Respect for personal sovereignty

So, Satan, the archetype, works just as well outside of magic as it does within magic.

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possesedbythedevil666 Nov 14 '14

Maybe you should research and develop a series of lectures based on satanism as a whole and each lecture can focus on a different subcategories of satanism. But I would start with the above-mentioned lecture as more of an experiment to check receptability of various audiences first before going any further with the overall concept.

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Troll Oct 19 '15

There are at least half a dozen to a dozen rational and popular categorization schemes. The interested put theirs out there. The serious students will collect them up, stick them with pins onto corkboard and display them with their source origin alongside them for all to see. The zealots will promote their favourite in conscription.

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Troll Oct 19 '15

Truth is a subjective experience of matching between expression and experience. There are truths about Satanism and some of us share experiences for which expressions seem true. Some commonalities are so prevalent that a good number of Satanists might agree on them.

A pretty popular one is: Satanism somehow relates to the positve view of the figure of Satan, whatever that figure is deemed to be (fiction or fact, gendered or non, imaginable or no).

Another common emphasis is individualism and personal power. While it may not be suitable to DEFINE Satanity, it does make sense to DESCRIBE Satanisms.

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Shawn Oct 19 '15

And it seems that whole bit about self-preservation has gotten flushed down the toilet somewhere...

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Troll Oct 19 '15

When did the self-preservation start? With the LaVeys? If so, where is the clearest statement of that principle, value, or interest to be found within early Satanism? "The Satanic Bible"? Elsewhere?

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Shawn Oct 19 '15

The Satanic Bible may mention it a few times...

smite him hip and thigh, for self-preservation is the highest law!
In order to ensure the propagation of humanity, nature made lust the second most powerful instinct, the first being self-preservation.
The strongest instinct of every living creature is self-preservation,

Did it start with the LaVeys? To ask this question is to miss the point of what LaVey said:

Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development", has become the most vicious animal of all!

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ShadowLover Oct 19 '15

I agree that preservation of self and procreation of species are the strongest forces within us and that every action an individual takes will at its base fall back to these things, whether it is getting a promotion at work or buying a ribbon for your hair.

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