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Tkwilliams Member
Tkwilliams Apr 3
Dan Updike from the damnd podcast wrote  good news letter on the petty in-fighting afflicting occult and LHP groups as of late. Just sharing. 


https://us20.campaign-archive.com/...a4&id=d2684dd34d

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Brother Shamus
Herding cats. I have tried, nowhere near as easy as sheep.


I mean for the actual ones, not those susceptible to trendy fads and keeping lockstep with others.

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Tkwilliams Member
Tkwilliams Apr 4
Honesty, I guess it dosen't really matter. No group really makes it intact for very long. 
Anna
Anna Apr 4

Yet another PC bullshit article about how we all should hold hands together.


Something about empathy and mutual understanding: We are governed more by our emotions than reason. If some people don't like you, then they will NOT understand you no matter how well reasoned your arguments are. Even if you write pages explaining your perspective, they will still consider you an idiot. That's because you've already been blacklisted. The first impression counts the most.


Something about those "petty" arguments: People who suck at debating and can't defend their position with proper arguments often downplay debates in general, saying they are childish dick contests and that we should all cherish different perspectives no matter how silly and nonsensical they seem to be. Usually the demands of open mindedness are accompanied with the great deal of butthurt. Respect me. Understand me or I will leave or, at least, call you intolerant. It's as if a boxer entered the ring and said to his opponent: Man, why are you hitting me? Stop hating on me.


The debate is an intellectual exercise. Its aim is not making your opponent understand you or convincing him you're right. The aim is to strike down his arguments with your better counter arguments. That requires some effort. The debate is an intellectual battle, sometimes it's a psychological warfare, involving manipulation and provocation.  It might look like a flame war to bystanders but nobody puts a gun to your head forcing you to participate.

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Tkwilliams Member
Tkwilliams Apr 4
I didn't get the "PC" part out of the news letter. It read as an understanding of the egoic mind. In the the artical explains why people can be a particular way and how to work on your own path. Basically agreeing with your statement while providing tools to inter personnel communications. 
Anna
Anna Apr 4
It looks PC to me because the author claims no ideas should be straightforwardly condemned but all of them should be thought over and given the benefit of the doubt. Some ideas do not deserve being taken into consideration. I agree none of us has a grasp of absolute truth but some people have quite a decent grasp of absolute bullshit. If you (the general you) said something like: "Elephants are pink and they can fly by flapping their ears", my answer certainly wouldn't be: "Hmm that's interesting. What an intriguing perspective. What makes you think so? Could you elaborate on that?" Instead, I would just call you a moron.
Tkwilliams Member
Tkwilliams Apr 4
Yeah i see what your saying and i like like it.
AK
AK Apr 4
This whole "personal truth" trope is utter nonsense. As demonstrated by the author's own analogy regarding the speed limit, calling an invalid interpretation of something a "personal truth" does nothing what so ever to legitimize it. A "personal truth" is nothing more than a belief. Some beliefs are just very fucking stupid and very, very wrong. If someone wants to take it all personally that their beliefs inspire ridicule, I'd say the butt-hurt serves them right for presuming to advertise them as a type of truth. Neither making it a personal, nor claiming it to be a minor truth immunizes anything from scrutiny and ridicule; not in real life, and definitely not on the internet.
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Tkwilliams Member
Tkwilliams Apr 4
Correct all we have to decide is this, is it objective truth or subjective.  Everything from there is cake. 
AK
AK Apr 4
I have yet to be sold on the notion that truth can be anything but objective and impersonal. With that, everything else is fluff. 
marzwolf
marzwolf Apr 4
Have you ever witnessed an argument between to people who were both right?


perspective.

AK
AK Apr 5
Just arguments between two people who were half right. 
Tkwilliams Member
Tkwilliams Apr 5
Yes truth is truth, however most stupid arguments are over subjective truths like for example "my favorite color is red" that is true for me and its stupid to argue over it. But objective truth being, a tree is a tree and grass is grass and denial in that objective truth is madness, and that madness is running wild right now. I have to say this, i am loving you all, this is the best most intelligent exchange of thoughts i have had on the internet in years.
AK
AK Apr 5
Where I'm from we call those "subjective truths" "opinions". Now come sit on my lap.
Tkwilliams Member
Tkwilliams Apr 5
Lol  
Tkwilliams Member
Tkwilliams Apr 7
I have been thinking over your replies, i agree "personal truth" is just a way to make opinions seem more important oor vaild when they don't really mater intellectually. I was wondering were this idea many have come from, it seems to be tought in college its called postmodernism theory. So far i think this theory maybe garbage,  i am going to read more.
Tkwilliams Member
AK
AK Apr 7
Postmodern thinking resonates with the idea that there are no facts, only interpretations. Insisting that there are no objective truths, the phrasing "personal truth" would find itself at home in such a muddled world-view. 


Whether or not it is factual that there are no facts, or if it is objectively true that there are no objective truths are both difficult questions to be tackled in more advanced courses... 

Tkwilliams Member
Tkwilliams Apr 8
To me it sounds like it a fancy way to make life more complacated on purpose. Is this whats happen with modern art? If you apply this postmodern thinking to art then you couldn't say what was art or not art. So a trash can is art becuase you called it so? Hum 
AK
AK Apr 8
Indeed. Plus, seeing the "postmodern" label on anything is a pretty solid indicator that whoever is peddling it is just looking for full-credit and accolades just for turning something in. Everyone gets a medal! 
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