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I think there's something to the process needing to call them up to help you out with their super demon power.  

What about el poder de los santos? 

I mean if you're gonna use imaginary shit to psyche yourself out, what makes certain characters more appropriate other than some shit you've read and an aesthetic you like? 

How is calling upon the alphabetical names LaVey pulled out his page-filling ass helpful? 

If all it is is willfully deluding self with psychodrama what really makes Azalea (The Plant Demon) different than St. John-Paul-George-Ringo, The Patron Saint of Multitracking? 

Gotta play Devil's advocate.  

Certain characters have traits that are compatible with aspects of the will. If you want "X" one could find the character associated with "X" and use it as your personal ritual. It's about putting yourself in the correct mental frame of mind.  If you're vengeful what good is white-light shit gonna do you? You need payback. You want to impale their ass on a stake not sublimate your anger (into culturally acceptable expression). 

True, you can't ACTUALLY effect the objective universe, but you can swim in a sea of megalomaniac archetypes and feel the power of Al Pacino in Devil's Advocate.

And that's what possesses you. And makes it real enough.  

Benevolent ministers exude the archetype of Christ because they live it.  As such with those who take on the inverse and live it. Doesn't have to be real to have a real effect on the individual.  

By taking on the archetypes of total self-worship you trend a certain way  in approach and form thereafter. 

The most "possessd" are those with the least self control over the archetypes that now reside in their psyche. 

Quote from Tom Riddle

Quote from Satanist since more than a decade The fact there is the need to "call them up to help out" implies they are already more powerful and skilled than the summoner. 

Skilled in some areas yes but it does not follow they are more powerful. That's like saying that the doctor is more powerful than me because I'm not a doctor...

If you want to believe that.... 

I'm fairly convinced there's an inferiority complex being shown here. 
Ease out little one. 

I think what is being referenced here is evocation of demonic spirits. I have successfully performed an invocation of the spirits, but never successful evocation of the spirits. However to be fair, I have never worked in the appropriate sciences to seriously attempt such by the methods written of in proven grimoires. Any small amount of experimentation I have done has only been through my own practices using my own methods.

* Channels archetype of Christopher Hitchins *  

What are fucking spirits? 

You mean those ideas of ethereal life? 

Proven grimoires seems like an impossibility. 

Let's focus on the concensus favorite.

"The Lesser Key of Solomon". 

And we will go for the head, Baal. 

Could someone explain why a Canaanite deity turned a Phoenician monoaltrous deity became a "Top Demon" 3,100 years later?  I'm sure it's a twisted path of demonizing polytheistic deities that brought it there. Or something someone jacking off in a temple pulled out their ass. 

Just pick any one and ask yourself, "Have I really diverged from the anal rape of Judeo-christian mysticism?" 

Berith (also Baal-berith) is a Great Duke of Hell, powerful and terrible, and has twenty-six legions of demons under his command. He tells things of the past, present and future with true answers; he can also turn all metals into gold, give dignities to men and confirm them. He speaks with a clear and subtle voice, and as recounted in Aleister Crowley's Illustrated Goetia

26 legions of demons he says? 

And here is a demystification. 

Yes, you can go commune with that. 

And here's how.  You create an unconsciously projected thoughtform with a "clear and subtle" voice. E.g. your belief you can make this real entity talk projects the archetypal form you have knowledge of. It will always be lensed through your own superstitions. 

A person communing with Berith would then start living out the description. When the expectation is for the demon to tell them of the future the unconscious projection will start making predictions.

And it will make predictions with its prerequisite knowledge of your world, including your applicable collective unconscious morality. Meaning you will not lens the projections through Vedic apprehension.  You won't call it a Rakshasa and have it appear as an animal. 

Crowley is another way to say bullshit.  "I'll just massacre Kaballah and warp it through my uncontrolled need to do heroin and beat my wife". 

There is no difference between The Book of the Law and the Vaimanika Shastra, in spirit. 

For all of Crowley's "getting it" what did it get him, VD, addiction, eviction, failing health, lack of control, and destitution. Love under will must be a euphemism for "promiscuous drug whore". 

People who believe in demons are very culturally myopic. They don't seem to have the capacity to realize that the rest of the world don't have demons [as such are understood to be in the Judeo-Christian West]. 

At no time in the history of the human species [which has been around circa 300,000 years] has any race or tribe of people, who are not Westerners or familiar with Western belief systems and world-models, ever seen or experienced, or witnessed a demon from the Western Occult Tradition. 

I call it the "Star Trek Syndrome."

In the Star Trek TV series, most aliens all seem to speak English, and most often with an American English accent; otherwise they speak English with a British Accent. 

Why is it that whenever an American summons or channels or is possessed by a spirit or a demon: that such spirit or demon speaks American English and not some other language like Mandarin or ancient Hebrew? 

Why is it that when Voodoo people get possessed that the Loa speaks Haitian Creole and not German or Russian or Classical Arabic?

Why is it that when Santeros from Santeria get possessed by "African Orishas," that instead of speaking African, the Orishas speak Spanish? And most often Mexican Spanish!

Same with those idiots who claim to be from the future: Why do those people [time travelers] speak contemporary English? If we of today [2021] time traveled back to the years 1500: would our English be different than that spoken by English people in the year 1500? 

Those spirits and demons are actually time travelers: they have been around in the myths and folklore of different people for thousands of years. And so, as time travelers from thousands of years in our past: why do these spirits and demons speak contemporary languages and not ancient dead ones?

Exactly.  

I'm not going to deny the "collective unconscious". Every culture, every myth, every social character has a place in its own nomos. A very livable tapestry of influences programmed into your shadow, persona, and ethical compass.  

I can't handle this neo-satanism "Dark incantation to infernal names lensed through a singular ideology" shit.  For the same reason you all bought MySatan just to shut it down.

And for the first time I will give you (in this thread only) the slightest bit of agnostism, as much as it kills me to do so. 

If there is some "dark entropy that permeates the cosmos" (Official CoS position) it's not dependent on anything but belief itself.  If there is some acausal well of power to turn on a remote blacklight the Chaotes nailed it.   It would have to work the same for the; Santero, Voodoo High Priestess, dark magician, pagan, Chinaman burning paper money, and the Arab with the smokeless fire.  

It would have to be the simplest explanation which excludes the specific imagery and icons in favor of the belief itself. No difference between a black candle for Satan, a Wal-Mart candle for St. Anthony, and a orange and black candle for Tony The Tiger.* 

* When doing an invocation to Tony The Tiger instead of saying, "Shehamforash, Hail Satan" you must say "Make it grrrrrrrreat!". 

I can't stop thinking it's all confirmation bias and statistics, analgous to the reason it only takes 23 random people to get a birthday. A delusion of assumed impact/importance because it sticks out subjectively. Something as simple as confidence is usually a winner and assholes deserving of a curse were probably going down anyway. 

Generally the existence of an entity makes it more understandable. Vague meanings are difficult to be comprehended. I say my own experience, it is more easy for me to talk about a real entity and transform it into philosophical values, than talking about something vague from the start. The existence of real entities makes it more familiar, due to the similarity to my own existence.