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Wolfie
Wolfie Jun 11 '21
I find I want to say up front what must be obvious: my thought is Neo-LaVeyan. The label per se doesn't matter. I just want to acknowledge my debt to the man and admit to the fact that my ideas never stray very far from the path he laid down.


I've read all his writings and thought deeply about them. Even when he was plagiarizing, hyperbolizing, or running a long con, he was revealing himself, who he was, what he cared about, what he admired, and what he despised. I'm convinced he created Satanism as a way to gather kindred spirits into his orbit. It wasn't (primarily) about the notoriety or the the ID card market, nor even the book market. He hated most people but didn't want to live an isolated existence. He needed a way to separate the wheat from the chaff. Satanism provided that.

 

I don't know if he and I would have hit it off. Maybe we would have. It's nice to think so. I don't share his affinity for Ragnar Redbeard, Aleister Crowley, or John Dee and Edward Kelley. Ayn Rand and the Four Horsemen (cool name for a punk band) are more my jam. But I got as much out of Nietzsche's Will to Power and Jack London's Sea Wolf as I think LaVey did. 


Of course I'm also weird in ways LaVey would probably have thought were just, well, weird. For example, I like to think of him as Captain Szandor. (I know, right? Pretty fucking weird. Sue me, I'm a comic book geek.)


Recently I posted (in the Photos section) my articulation of a Neo-LaVeyan  world view. Taken together, the five images (mainly the text) say everything I want to say in the Neo-LaVeyan space. I'm convinced that someone who resonates to what they say is Captain Szandor's kind of person, one of the kindred spirits the man was looking for when he decided to shave his head.











The Forum post is edited by Wolfie Jun 14 '21
Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Jun 11 '21
Quote from Wolfie I He hated most people but didn't want to live an isolated existence. He needed a way to separate the wheat from the chaff. Satanism provided that.

That's why I think he created Satanism as a religion because religion during human history has always been the tool to maintain a tribe or culture and could empower the individual through ritual. Gilmore said something like that when Satanists identified themselves with Satan then they did it to create a 
barrier between those who could not bring them into harmony with the archetype of Satan. This is also something religion has done. To create the barrier between the sacred and normal. In the case of Satanism the sacred is the Satanist as he is own god.
Wolfie
Wolfie Jun 11 '21
Tom, I like the idea of the Satan archetype guarding the door between those of a certain ilk and all the rest. Consider this message board. The word "Satanic" lets everyone know what to expect here. Some avoid the place for that very reason, while others are attracted like bees to pollen, even if they themselves are not Satanists but are merely "Satan-adjacent." (Of course I realize we get trolls and nincompoops also.) Often the "Satan-adjacent" people are my favorites.


Aborior Translatione
Not trying to kiss your ass or anything, but those are better than LaVeys. 


LaVey had an underlying goal to turn his little group meetups with Hollywood high society into a codified antireligion. With the founding of the church preceeding the bible by two years. It also really helped its mystique that Jayne Mansfield's boyfriend was a terrible drunk driver. Blue altar my fucking ass...


But people need that, they need that lemming supernatural aspect. And that's what brought in all his celebrity friends, like Alice Cooper until he became a born again Christian years later and insinuated Karla was poison In a hit single (allegedly).


These are slightly better because they take the LaVey type personality and simultaneously leave it open for me to mock the blue altar. 


Well done.

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Wolfie
Wolfie Jun 11 '21
Aborior, I'm glad you liked the writings. As for blue altars, curses, and whatnot, that was all part of the long con LaVey was perpetrating to stoke his notoriety. He kept a circus swirling around him and all of it was show biz. Yet despite all that, he gave many of us a way of looking at the world that made sense to us. 


Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Jun 11 '21
Quote from Wolfie Tom, I like the idea of the Satan archetype guarding the door between those of a certain ilk and all the rest. Consider this message board. The word "Satanic" lets everyone know what to expect here. Some avoid the place for that very reason, while others are attracted like bees to pollen, even if they themselves are not Satanists but are merely "Satan-adjacent." (Of course I realize we get trolls and nincompoops also.) Often the "Satan-adjacent" people are my favorites.

The Satan archetype alone is not enough (as you yourself also points out) as there can come trolls... The image of Satan/sigil of baphomet is good branding to SIN as it speaks to the Satanists. Since Satanism have no dogma, no holy books, no authority, specific philosophy etc then those who really are Satanists are far more dependent on ritual ceremony to keep maintaining the barrier. This is how I can identify other Satanists and the none so to speak by looking at their reactions to my endless talk about ritual.
beware
beware Jun 15 '21
I will never understand how self-loathing and hypocritical you people are, and yet you would be glad to know that it is Lucifer who is the creator of this world. The light of your consciousness is trapped by him, the father of illusions, child of Sophia (whom is representing wisdom at it's finest). So far gone, he has tricked himself I'm sure. 


What will you do when it no longer requires any labor at all to accomplish? How are the photographers treated now that everyone has a camera? Is the art lost, or merely been reduced, or did it ever matter at all? Was it context that gave these things their appeal?

Matter, and material things will no longer be appealing to you in light this context; The world you know is ending, and mine is just beginning. Skills and objects will be conjured as simply as light is conjured from a bulb, and nothing will matter. 

Wolfie
Wolfie Jun 15 '21
beware, when Lucifer comes into his power, Satanists will play along while plotting his overthrow. Think of it as Satan versus Lucifer in a no-holds-barred cage match. Just rest assured of one thing: Satan will cheat. (Oh, and yes, in this GIF, Lucifer is the pipsqueak.) 



talisman
talisman Jun 15 '21
Don't scare little girls, There will be no cheating. There will be justice. 
Aborior Translatione

Quote from beware I will never understand how self-loathing and hypocritical you people are, and yet you would be glad to know that it is Lucifer who is the creator of this world. The light of your consciousness is trapped by him, the father of illusions, child of Sophia (whom is representing wisdom at it's finest). So far gone, he has tricked himself I'm sure. 


What will you do when it no longer requires any labor at all to accomplish? How are the photographers treated now that everyone has a camera? Is the art lost, or merely been reduced, or did it ever matter at all? Was it context that gave these things their appeal?

Matter, and material things will no longer be appealing to you in light this context; The world you know is ending, and mine is just beginning. Skills and objects will be conjured as simply as light is conjured from a bulb, and nothing will matter. 

I gotta stop taking you seriously. I though you were a Christian with up front conviction for a second.  


Seriously who is behind all the subversive Jesus-Apocalyse trolls?  Are you some wacky exiled Pentecostal fighting Satan on the internet? 


Shame you're not because it like you ask you about the conflation in the bible concerning The Morning Star.  Both The Jeebis and Lucy were called this name. Do you think the it was intentionally done by the writers? Or does a book with at least 30 writers going to naturally lack continuity over hundreds of years of composition.

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Wolfie
Wolfie Jun 15 '21
That's right, beware, this is your master.





You're Charlie Brown.


Satanist since more than a decade
In a sense are all who follow the Satanic Bible "Neo-LaVeyan". 


His published works are out there. 
But the man himself not anymore. 


Society has changed and the man itself is not around to shape a vision around this changing of tides. It is up to the very few remaining Satanists to steer the new generation(s) to the initial teachings and have them apply basic premises to the changing nature of society and keep the black flame burning. 



Wolfie
Wolfie Jun 16 '21
Satanist since more than a decade,


Yes. Hence this thread. My own way of doing what you suggest has been to write my own "Satanic Verses" and place them in the ether where now and then they might be found, while crediting LaVey as my muse and mentor, though the two of us never met.



Wolfie
Wolfie Jun 16 '21
By the way, there's a Facebook page titled, "Satanic Knaves of Naberius," which I created, and am now using to give my "Satanic Verses" an existence in the public square.


Aborior Translatione
I think it gets fucked by the 10th Planet tendency, and increasingly so. To morph it into wacky all inclusive premises at the expense of form. Like spiritual Satanism, the jumbo shrimp of satanism.


But then again I don't see it as primarily a will to power in individualism. There is a need to point out that only certain things prompt that individualism, satanically. 


There is an essence there. A natural eccentricity from normal. 


Like the line from Death To Smoochy,


 When the other kids would play Cowboys and Indians I was always the Chinese railroad worker.

The Forum post is edited by Aborior Translatione Jun 16 '21
Wolfie
Wolfie Jun 16 '21
Aborior, I think you're the never anticipated Discordian messiah and Malaclypse the Younger and Omar Khayyan Ravenhurst were your heralds.




Wolfie
Wolfie Jun 27 '21
I like this recent articulation. It suits me. It also fits this thread because LaVey was certainly a modern atavistic misanthrope.




talisman
talisman Jun 28 '21
At first, stop whining.
Wolfie
Wolfie Jun 28 '21

Quote from talisman At first, stop whining.


Wolfie
Wolfie Jun 29 '21
The LaVeyan synthesis:


First: See pic below.


Next: I learned much from reading Nietzsche but less from Nietzsche directly. There's a reason his philosophy was so easily coopted by the jerkoff Nazis: he enshrined power and race as cosmic principles, and thereby divorced his philosophy from rationality, empiricism, materialism, and atheism, the pillars of modernism, all of which he combined under the rubric of "Apollo," the foil for his beloved Dionysus. 


Similarly, I learned much from reading Ayn Rand, but less from Ayn Rand directly. There's a reason her philosophy is suited only to pseudo-Spockian nerds: she divorced her philosophy from carnality, appetite, passion, and catharsis, the pillars of atavism, all of which she was trying to transcend with her ideal of man qua man, as opposed to man qua ape.


In Hegelian terms, Nietzsche was thesis, Rand was antithesis, and LaVey was synthesis. In his non-academic philosophy of life, LaVey let modernism and atavism both have their place, and in addition, he gave equal footing to cynicism, disgust, severity, and distance, the pillars of misanthropy, all of which could be detected in Nietzsche and Rand, but none of which were given pride of place by either of those writers. 


Some people will tell you LaVey was not a philosopher. Don't believe them. It's the people who tell you that who are in fact not philosophers. They don't know one when they see one, because, as the saying goes, "It takes one to know one." Bear in mind: LaVey was also a con artist and (within the confines of his con) a charlatan. None of that is negated by saying he was a philosopher. His philosophy was the synthesis of Apollo and Dionysus, to use Netizsche's terms; or, to use Rand's in an expanded way, his philosophy proposed the synthesis of man qua man and man qua ape.




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