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Anna
Aug 6 '21
There is quite a lot in TSB about hating your foes and paying them back for all the harm they have done. The destruction ritual is one of the ways. What's your approach to this? Is this effective or pure fantasy? Do you prefer direct revenge (eye for an eye) or do you think the best revenge against your enemies is ignoring them and living your life the best way you can? What if the enemies retaliated? Wouldn't you worry that it would lead to the never ending spiral of spite, aggression or even violence?
Singende Säge
Aug 6 '21
For some, I know it is hard to exhaust hate into DR. Instead, some people dwell on hate just like before the performance. Balance factor out-of-place. Tunnel vision ensues. Total war inside. Obsession.
Tom Riddle
Aug 6 '21
The destruction ritual (TDR) is a psychodrama that only works if the intellect or disbelief is completely suspended or decompressed, which is why the Satanist relies on the ritual chamber and it's participants. The enemy's retaliation is the reason why I believe in total extermination of an enemy which requires TDR. TDR is intended to exterminate an enemy completely first all in the mind and subconsciousness. The foe's fate in the outside world is in the hands of the Powers of Darkness but that would no be something the Satanist think about as the foe is eliminated from his own consciousness and subconsciousness...
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Anna
Aug 6 '21
I don't understand why the other participants should be necessary during the destruction ritual. It can be performed in the solitary manner. I wonder if the feeling evoked by the psychodrama is similar to what an average Joe feels when he curses his enemies and wishes them all the worst in the world.
Tom Riddle
Aug 6 '21
I don't understand why the other participants should be necessary during the destruction ritual. It can be performed in the solitary manner. I wonder if the feeling evoked by the psychodrama is similar to what an average Joe feels when he curses his enemies and wishes them all the worst in the world.
For the rational skeptic who are not used to ritual it can be difficult to decompress the intellect as solo. The decompressed intellect can also easy break during the steps of ritual. The participants helps to maintain the decompressed intellect. A satanic ritual in a group is pure cooperation lead by a high priest who do the standard invocations which makes it easier for the Satanist to perform the psychodrama the ritual is about.
Wolfie
Aug 6 '21
As a matter of principle I extract a penalty from anyone who messes with me. I may or may not do it anonymously, depending on the situation. I may or may not employ go-betweens such as the police. I don't just perform a ritual and figure that'll suffice. I don't just pour out my anger in a private ceremony until every last drop is expelled, and figure that'll suffice.
Hoodlum88
Aug 6 '21
I can't see how skepticism is lessened by a group unless it's just the benefit of mutual theatre. Consider if they monkey around with the standard invocation.I don't understand why the other participants should be necessary during the destruction ritual. It can be performed in the solitary manner. I wonder if the feeling evoked by the psychodrama is similar to what an average Joe feels when he curses his enemies and wishes them all the worst in the world.
For the rational skeptic who are not used to ritual it can be difficult to decompress the intellect as solo. The decompressed intellect can also easy break during the steps of ritual. The participants helps to maintain the decompressed intellect. A satanic ritual in a group is pure cooperation lead by a high priest who do the standard invocations which makes it easier for the Satanist to perform the psychodrama the ritual is about.
Humour me. Would you be able to decompress in a group ritual if the high priest was invoking names like; Neo, The Great and Powerful Oz, Lord Anubis, or Merlin over your standard faire infernal names? Would it ruin it for you if it lacked the proper aesthetic or was yet a list of cartoon characters?
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Wolfie
Aug 6 '21
Bugs Bunny would make a great trickster deity.
Tom must of course answer for Tom, but as for me, I'm solitary all the way. I have zero interest in group ritual. Other people would simply be a distraction.
Which doesn't mean I reject the idea of a cabal. But that's a very different thing.
Tom Riddle
Aug 6 '21
Humour me. Would you be able to decompress in a group ritual if the high priest was invoking names like; Neo, The Great and Powerful Oz, Lord Anubis, or Merlin over your standard faire infernal names? Would it ruin it for you if it lacked the proper aesthetic or was yet a list of cartoon characters?
The reason why Satanists invokes devils and demons instead of Neo is because they are Satanists... The Powers of Darkness is the symbolic projection of the shadow the Satanist he don't deny. Since you are not a Satanist then you will find no difference between a devil and Neo. That's also how TST are exposed not to be Satanists because they consider ritual to be silly.
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Tom Riddle
Aug 6 '21
Tom must of course answer for Tom, but as for me, I'm solitary all the way. I have zero interest in group ritual. Other people would simply be a distraction.
I'm also solitary but I don't utilize the rituals in TSB. They are clearly designed for groups.
Hoodlum88
Aug 6 '21
Right. You just spoke of intellectual decompression so I assumed you meant general silliness. Actors and actresses do a process of intellectual decompression to put themselves in the mind of their characters. I thought that's what you were getting on with.Humour me. Would you be able to decompress in a group ritual if the high priest was invoking names like; Neo, The Great and Powerful Oz, Lord Anubis, or Merlin over your standard faire infernal names? Would it ruin it for you if it lacked the proper aesthetic or was yet a list of cartoon characters?
The reason why Satanists invokes devils and demons instead of Neo is because they are Satanists... The Powers of Darkness is the symbolic projection of the shadow the Satanist he don't deny. Since you are not a Satanist then you will find no difference between a devil and Neo. That's also how TST are exposed not to be Satanists because they consider ritual to be silly.
A mate of mine had a neighbour in the flat across the hall that went around acting like he was from the 1890's. Dated vernacular, the whole lot. After baffling everybody it turned out it was a method actor prepping for a role. They had a pint over it.
I'd imagine the process of darkly decompressing would be akin to the actor about to play Jack The Ripper. The pageantry of it all.
So it's more than frame of mind, it's a literal darkness to presence. Do I gather you correctly?
Tom Riddle
Aug 6 '21
Right. You just spoke of intellectual decompression so I assumed you meant general silliness. Actors and actresses do a process of intellectual decompression to put themselves in the mind of their characters. I thought that's what you were getting on with.
A mate of mine had a neighbour in the flat across the hall that went around acting like he was from the 1890's. Dated vernacular, the whole lot. After baffling everybody it turned out it was a method actor prepping for a role. They had a pint over it.
I'd imagine the process of darkly decompressing would be akin to the actor about to play Jack The Ripper. The pageantry of it all.
So it's more than frame of mind, it's a literal darkness to presence. Do I gather you correctly?
The psychodrama in the ritual chamber is NOT a theater. As an actor and actresses on theater you know you play a role. When the intellect is decompressed you are in that frame of mind where you are ignorant about the fact that you perform a psychodrama whatever it's invocation of a demon, casting a spell or simply just the worship of Satan.
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Hoodlum88
Aug 6 '21
No need to get miffed about it.
Right. You just spoke of intellectual decompression so I assumed you meant general silliness. Actors and actresses do a process of intellectual decompression to put themselves in the mind of their characters. I thought that's what you were getting on with.
A mate of mine had a neighbour in the flat across the hall that went around acting like he was from the 1890's. Dated vernacular, the whole lot. After baffling everybody it turned out it was a method actor prepping for a role. They had a pint over it.
I'd imagine the process of darkly decompressing would be akin to the actor about to play Jack The Ripper. The pageantry of it all.
So it's more than frame of mind, it's a literal darkness to presence. Do I gather you correctly?
The psychodrama in the ritual chamber is NOT a theater. As an actor and actresses on theater you know you play a role. When the intellect is decompressed you are in that frame of mind where you are ignorant about the fact that you perform a psychodrama whatever it's invocation of a demon, casting a spell or simply just the worship of Satan.
I didn't realise Satanists were forcing themselves to temporarily believe they are The Prince of Darkness. That must be the premium service of method acting.
Does temporarily believing you'e now a powerful Satan capable of destroying your enemies help those doing it gain tangible results to that end? It must be partially theistic if it is. Or is it more to trade personas for a moment and become someone completely different? Remedy a bad day with some candlelit venting before going out on the pull. Perhaps gain some added confidence while you're at it.
My apologies, I am somewhat of a hanger-on. I didn't realise it was a visceral power of darkness to feel flow through ones being. Do you literally feel it like one would a drug?
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Tom Riddle
Aug 6 '21
It must be partially theistic if it is.
It is temporary theism in the sense that the Powers of Darkness becomes godlike entities the magus can communicate with and get help from. To perform such a psychodrama with success the Satanist must decompress his intellect completely and that can be difficult for those Satanists who don't have a religious background which is why they will need a group to perform it.
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Cornelius Coburn
Aug 6 '21
If possible, I would opt for not putting myself in a position where I feel the need for revenge in the first place.
Hoodlum88
Aug 6 '21
It must be partially theistic if it is.
It is temporary theism in the sense that the Powers of Darkness becomes godlike entities the magus can communicate with and get help from. To perform such a psychodrama with success the Satanist must decompress his intellect completely and that can be difficult for those Satanists who don't have a religious background which is why they will need a group to perform it.
Right, it's temporary theism. And it's easier to believe it genuine if there are others doing likewise? It sounds like a dynamite time. Like an interactive theatre troupe simultaneously pretending they can all channel the powers of darkness and evil. With a sinister laugh playing for ambiance. It reasons that if it's easier to do this in a group it must mean there is fulfillment drawn from others being present? Something communal and reliant on the like palate of others to gain fulfillment in their own experience.
Doesn't settle just right. I thought it was primarily acting out anger or desires for yourself and getting on. It was humourous to consider swapping out dark characters when you are having a go of it. If it's for the drama of it all why not use Joker and dance in pale moonlight?
Thank you for your time. I was hoping for a less codependent answer, but thank you the same.
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Tom Riddle
Aug 7 '21
Right, it's temporary theism. And it's easier to believe it genuine if there are others doing likewise? It sounds like a dynamite time. Like an interactive theatre troupe simultaneously pretending they can all channel the powers of darkness and evil. With a sinister laugh playing for ambiance. It reasons that if it's easier to do this in a group it must mean there is fulfillment drawn from others being present? Something communal and reliant on the like palate of others to gain fulfillment in their own experience.
Doesn't settle just right. I thought it was primarily acting out anger or desires for yourself and getting on. It was humourous to consider swapping out dark characters when you are having a go of it. If it's for the drama of it all why not use Joker and dance in pale moonlight?
Thank you for your time. I was hoping for a less codependent answer, but thank you the same.
The ritual chamber with it's temporary theism is where the madness begin but it's ironically still a controlled madness as the high priest lead the group through steps.
Hoodlum88
Aug 7 '21
It sounds fun at the outset, but the thought of changing my mental state through specific prompting sounds a bit stifling.
Right, it's temporary theism. And it's easier to believe it genuine if there are others doing likewise? It sounds like a dynamite time. Like an interactive theatre troupe simultaneously pretending they can all channel the powers of darkness and evil. With a sinister laugh playing for ambiance. It reasons that if it's easier to do this in a group it must mean there is fulfillment drawn from others being present? Something communal and reliant on the like palate of others to gain fulfillment in their own experience.
Doesn't settle just right. I thought it was primarily acting out anger or desires for yourself and getting on. It was humourous to consider swapping out dark characters when you are having a go of it. If it's for the drama of it all why not use Joker and dance in pale moonlight?
Thank you for your time. I was hoping for a less codependent answer, but thank you the same.
The ritual chamber with it's temporary theism is where the madness begin but it's ironically still a controlled madness as the high priest lead the group through steps.
I say this from a purely psychological perspective. Psychodrama works like free-form writing and is au naturale in its occurance once initiated by the particpant. The purpose being your subconscious takes you places your thinking mind cannot. It is very useful in psychotherapy for dismantling past mental trauma. You revive the trauma and remove it through direct engagement. However, with rigid incantations and specific prescribed steps I could not draw any type of self-realisation from the experience. It could never tap anything more than the same emotions I'd get participating in a play as an assumed character.
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Tom Riddle
Aug 7 '21
It sounds fun at the outset, but the thought of changing my mental state through specific prompting sounds a bit stifling.
I say this from a purely psychological perspective. Psychodrama works like free-form writing and is au naturale in its occurance once initiated by the particpant. The purpose being your subconscious takes you places your thinking mind cannot. It is very useful in psychotherapy for dismantling past mental trauma. You revive the trauma and remove it through direct engagement. However, with rigid incantations and specific prescribed steps I could not draw any type of self-realisation from the experience. It could never tap anything more than the same emotions I'd get participating in a play as an assumed character.
Some argues that psychodrama is outdated psychotherapy. https://sataniskforum.dk/post-doc.pdf
However, when the Satanist performs TDR he feel better alone because of the fact he have done something to avenge himself.
