Death and the Dead | Forum

The veneration of ancestors - also called "ancestor worship" can be found in pretty much any indigenous culture on earth. In most cultures, including my own, ancestor veneration is just a part of the over all culture. It has nothing to do with a right hand or left hand path. If we were slugs, we'd have no hands to have paths. If we were centipedes, we'd lave 100 legs, and so there would be more than a right hand or left hand path. It's a logical fallacy which I dislike called the Fallacy of False Dilemma. 

I can personally deal with dead people. People grow old and die. It's natural. 

It's when people start talking about "souls," and the "spiritual realm" that things get goofy and stupid:

1. What is a "soul?"

2. What is a soul made from?

3. What or who or how did the stuff that makes souls come into being?

4. What exactly is meant by "spiritual?" Define that word/concept presicely.

5. Where is this spiritual realm?

6. Is this spiritual realm finite or infinite?

7. What is this spiritual realm made out of. It's fundamental building blocks. Like we can say that protons, electrons, and neutrons are the building blocks of the physical realm.

8. How did this spiritual realm come into being?

There are 8 questions. Every answer a person can produce, speculate, make up for each question, adds sentimental and conjectural Assumptions. 

The more assumptions there are, the more it defies the Law of Parsimony, otherwise also called "Occam's Razor."

In short, that Universal Law states that the most simplest answer to a question, with the least amount of assumptions is the most likely answer. 

What does objective simplicity - sans conjectural assumptions - say about death, the dead, souls, and the spiritual realm?

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Allow this Forum topic to be any and all things dealing with Death and the dead in the context of the Left Hand Path.

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One of my Facebook connections in the LHP community shared his ceremony of the time-honored tradition of giving respect to the those who have passed away. How do you give reverence to the [PEOPLE] that pass from our physical realm into the great void of [NOT EXISTING ANYMORE]

My feelings on Death are best summed up in Macbeth: 

Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Path of attainment - I define that as what a person needs to do or cannot do to fulfill themselves.  The predominate method of the society is given the RHP designation.  Tibet and Arkansas have a noted divergence on what this is. 

And this is the only way I find it consistent. 

To incorporate Satan you are incorporating the Western (Arkansas) version of the path most travelled. That version is "spiritual". It is Abstract. It is grand design vs. real time. It is the superstitions of divine occurrence and need to believe in ideas. The fulfillment comes through the ideas of enlightenment in your head. Generally making it the center piece of your path. And if the "ritual chamber" is the center of your praxis, you're doing it wrong. 

That is the status quo of attainment. 

To employ a heterodox praxis in Western society must involve a rejection of using faithful ideas as anything of merit. 

For this reason the LHP in the West is antitheistic where religion is concerned and anarchistic where greater goods are concerned. The adversary rejects unnecessary authority, ideological slavery, and compulsory faith.

I believe it manifests in the personality as a mutation to nature. The hard part to prove is nomian ideals are part of genetic memory in need of behavioral mutation. There's some studies to back it up, but its still unproven. Like all mutations, if it is beneficial it becomes increasingly dominant.  If its beneficial in a certain percentage it maintains that percentage. This is how shit shifts and orthodoxies are born (or made). 

I also think the mutations are in line with defiant personality disorder. The impulse to stay standing where everyone takes a knee in trending protest as matter of genetic predisposition. And in a society of rigid nonbelief it manifests as spirituality. It's a need to defy any status quo it is subjected to. 

** Elephant in the room noted. An idea about people having ideas. 

- the Hydra

Well that certainly fits the Wikipedia definition for LHP in Rural Oregon.  And probably Cuba too. Very extreme in comparison to status quo. 

Good tradition for a forensic entomologist, coroner, or person who cleans up a drug addict's apartment after they OD and rot for two weeks. Or people who like dismembering the neighbor's dog in the woods behind the house. 

I like some viewed gore, but the smell of dead things is not something I could acclimate myself too. Shownomerrcy.com desentized me to everything but years ago. So I could watch videos of the practice in its most disgusting state, but having the full phenomenal experience would be too much.  

It appears you've found the world's most disgusting mojo bag.

I think I'm the only one into Palo out here in rural Oregon. It might not be a great idea to tell the locals :)

Many years ago, before I ever got initiated into Palo, I had watched a few videos on the Aghori of India, out of fascination. Two things stuck in my mind about the aghori: that they rubbed their bodies with crematory ash, and that they ate dead body parts. It was so grotesque and disgusting that it was fascinating. 

When I got into Palo, I saw a few similarities between the two. Palo uses crematory ash also, and you do consume parts of corpses in the form of concoctions made powdered human remains. Seeing the corpse powder in Palo remined me of a scene in one of the aghori documentaries where this aghori took ash of a dead human, and mixed the ash with water to make dough, and then made a kind of bread with it and ate it. 

But of course Palo and the Aghori Tradition are very different and unique in their own ways. But both seem obssessed with the Dead, to the point where they have made religions of it. 

You're right, an nganga is a very gross mojo bag, a big one! 

"You can tell a newbie who just got initiated into Palo, because after sacrficing animals and handling rotting flesh, they'll ask to wash their hands with soap and ask for hand sanitizers. My Godfather gets upset and says things like: "Dude this is fucking Palo! Not some fucking mariconeria. What do you think you got yourself into!? I can eat fucking tacos with my hands right now." And everybody would laugh."

I'm not a hygiene-obsessed twat washing hands every five minutes but the refusal to use soap after handling rotten flesh and, especially, rubbing dirt into open wounds - this is asking for trouble. 

Do they, at least, clean or change the razors or whatever they cut you with? Or do you just literally share the blood and anything that could be there?

On the topic.

Here, apart from caring for family graves, we have a custom of wearing black clothes for the prescribed period of time. I never obeyed that because it's silly for me. I see enough of the death at work. No need for me to make it into some kind of a fetish. I have an acquaintance who is an eternal widow living with the corpse of her husband. Metaphorically. Although he's been dead for about 5 years now, she's still grieving, always talking about him. His shadow always accompanying her. It's counterproductive in my opinion. Clinging to the past makes you blind to the new opportunities in life. It's like Lot's wife looking back over her shoulder at the burning Sodom. The old has to be buried to make place for the new. And although I think that suppressing grief is terribly unhealthy, there should come the time when you let it go and "let the dead bury the dead."

In America each initiate gets their own razor. But there are poor communities in places like Mexico and Cuba, etc, where the temple-houses would only have a few old razors to share. Some types of ngangas require mercury: you should see how they handle that! It makes me very nervous. 

They "clean" the razor by spraying rum at it, and spraying rum at the places they will be cutting you. 

The people in that video aren't doing it right. The actual point of getting the cuts is to draw your blood, which is then collected and placed into your Godfather's nganga; the designs are a secondary objective. Those guys in the video didn't cut the initiate right. When they cut me, I had blood from every cut dripping down to my hips and stuff. Another thing wrong is that the person holding the Candle Light must/should be female, not a man. Usually your Godmother is the one who holds the candle. It's considered "mariconeria" [faggotry] for a man to hold the candle when a man is being cut into Palo, because the Light and the person holding the Light is symbolically giving birth to you, and a man can't give birth. 

There seems to be this "machismo" culture prevalent in Mexican culture, and so, being that the majority of Palo temple-houses [in America] are Mexican, people act tough and shame you if you are a weakling and afraid to handle rotting animals and ask for soap afterwards. The guys make fun of each other by calling names like "maricon," "princess." It's effective. It makes everybody try to look as macho and tough as possible.

There is a whole filtration process of weeding out weaklings. Before you get initiated you get a couple interviews by the Godparents, and get invited to a few basic rituals of feeding the the ngangas of the Godparents. So they make you help hold the animals being sacrificed, show you how to dismember the animals and make you go ahead and dismember the body, and then you clean the bloody mess up. It's a test to see if you are tough enough - if you have the stomach and intestinal fortitude - to do basic things like that in Palo. If not, you get rejected.

"In America each initiate gets their own razor"

This is OK then. While rare bacterial infections can be treated, this HIV shit is gross.

΅What makes vaccines efficient is teaching the immunity system to attack harmful micro organisms, including harmful viruses. This way of teaching is purely chemistry, which in the case of viruses is their capsule - remember their genetic material is rna, monoclonal genetic material which can be found inside healthy cells. So the target is their outer capsule.

What we're talking about is that, no immunity defense can be built against the HIV virus so far. 

I believe my last illness was covid, but it was very mild, so much so, that I barely remember it.