Noah What's His Face And Naive Satanic Apologists. | Forum

Yes it is ironic that a path chosen that should not need self justification is being justified with apologetics as in a Christian sense of the word, but then is satanism seen as a "group" by the general public just as any other religion, let's say islam; are they all terrorists? Obviously not, well all satanists are not "loons" and should that be made clear when something bad happens with it's name attached? If you do not separate from the publically viewed "bad" then you are grouped as the same, are you not? 

Should you care; that is personal perspective, each to their own. 

You are right in what you say, but when dealing with the general public is it possible to expect them as a whole to understand without someone giving an explanation? Most of the time they have no comprehension of why they think or do anything; they just do! 

lol @ " So some dude who was one of the many users here.. went nutty"

Honestly, I glanced it before about three weeks ago, only to have it implied here somewhere, leading me to look at it again more fully. Basically this thread isn't about specifics, as it is about general satanic apologetics, with the general naivete of thinking only a certain type would/could do something like that and when the unexpected type do a thing like that, there is a tendency to resort to apologetics, as it is the compulsion of your average person, Christian or Satanist. My point is, "so what!" That's not your problem, it's not Satanism/the occult's problem, the problem is the compulsively damaged person, like Noah, what's his face. So Satanism, or any other ideology/religion... for that matter need to be justified with apologetics.

lol of course I know it had nothing to do with Satanism and that the media thrives on sensationalism. The principle, however is that so what if you got bad press, why the compulsion to clean up a besmirched image of yourself just because insignificant people may get the wrong impression of you or your religion/ideology/philosophy or what have you?

"The people who kept commenting about the case in the comments sections of various articles were usually trolls or former SIN users pissed with Zach or other members."

Haters are always going to hate, shouting them down, punching them in the nose, or even throwing apologetics at them is not going to change their perception, no matter how much you wish they would see you in the light you expect and at times demand they see you in.

it's like I always say, "If a whore became a queen, people will continue to  see her as a whore, no matter how much she tries to convince them otherwise."

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it's not Satanism/the occult's problem, the problem is the compulsively damaged person

Absolutely right, it should not have to be a problem for anyone else how a single person has acted, but society does not see it that way; scapegoat needed at all times, someone, some group has to be blamed...thus a reason for the need to exclaim that whichever group, satanism, islam, Christianity... had nothing to do with it by appeasement to the masses.

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it's not Satanism/the occult's problem, the problem is the compulsively damaged person

Absolutely right, it should not have to be a problem for anyone else how a single person has acted, but society does not see it that way; scapegoat needed at all times, someone, some group has to be blamed...thus a reason for the need to exclaim that whichever group, satanism, islam, Christianity... had nothing to do with it by appeasement to the masses.

I repeat, My point is, so what! That's not your problem.

Depends on whether or not you want to have your house burned down or be burned at the stake by the masses really. Should NOT be a Satanists problem, but that does not mean it is NOT a Satanists problem. History does repeat itself. Would it not be wiser to take precautions for self preservation by said apologetics? The first rule of power, is to let others think they have power... by appeasement are you not actually the one controlling them for your own good? 

I get what you are saying, but any attempts to clean up a tarnished image is pointless, it only falls on deaf ears, when people are already convinced of something and so the masses would still burn you at the stake. To use an example of victimhood culture that running rampant now a days. You can try to convince every single one of the beholders of/to victimhood status that they are not being oppressed, yet they will still hold fast to this belief whilst the women, LGBTs and blacks would all still gather to burn the "white heterosexual male patriarchy of white supremacism" at the proverbial stake, in spite of apologetics. In the case of Satanism, Satanists would still be burned at the stake or stoned by "Abrahamic" dogmatists, who would just chalk the apologetics up to the nature of the "Father of lies" and the same can be said of the conspiracy theorists, who like wise believe the hype about Satanism. So, again I ask the third time, why bother trying to convince people of something they will never change their minds about, because they are dim witted, gullible and impressionable bigots, who do not care what the horse have to say, what they've been told about the horse is all they care about and believe. In which case, the negative estimation and publicity is the problem of the masses and they would set up the pyre none the less. That rule of power so called has no relevance..at least not in the case above.

What's more, if what you believe in isn't worth dying for at the hands of bigots, then what are you doing calling yourself a Satanist?  Satan does not retreat and to bow over to pressure from bigots in order to continue breathing is the ultimate retreat into selling out your principles to the whims and such of others.

"The admins of the forums can't really screen their users' personalities, much less predict what they are capable of."

Then they need the psychic network. lol