Are people a herd animal or are they naturally individuals? | Forum

nith
nith Jan 7 '17

There is no real difference between pack or herd mentality other than pack has a more violent meaning than herd. It's also like some prefer to be called a group or club and not a gang or mob.


Semantics (playing with the meaning of words) is something I enjoy. I was at a place not long ago that had a saying on the wall that was aimed at being an inspirational line. It said “obstacles are just challenges on your path”. I addressed the person at the desk “so this mean speed bumps and traffic lights are a challenge and not an obstacle”. I found it even funnier when she took me seriously.


So I was playing the semantics game with the pack mentality vs herd mentality.


Group talk is often used to try and give more power to what is said. It can have hilarious outcomes when questioned.

Chaos Order
Chaos Order Jan 7 '17
I'll pay more attention to your words from now on. I like your style, it's exactly what I hoped to find in this place.
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Group talk is often used to try and give more power to what is said. It can have hilarious outcomes when questioned.

I didn't really want to talk about feminism because it's SO present in my life that I'm a bit sick of it, but, well... lately I feel like "Why does everybody hate feminism? They don't hurt anybody, they're just a few girls trying to change the world" so, I couldn't avoid to talk about it when I saw certain lines in this thread.

And, yes, they use group talk a lot, specially the mainstream wing, like "we are the voice of all the oppressed women" but I don't think they're trying to give power to anything... they really believe they're saving their genre, specially the "blind masses" who can't realize they're "slaves of patriarchy". 

It's like when christians pray for the sinners' souls... they don't really hurt anyone including us all as "sons of God" (btw, if one of them comes to me trying to sell me their savior and I kindly tell him he's a brainwasher, I wouldn't complain if he says that I use hate speech, because, well, yes, it would be a kind and proud little hate speech).

Is it totally "pack mentality"? Well, yes, it is, but the individual side is still there as far as every single feminist I know has a different view on feminism from all others and, mostly, they respect the difference inside their movement.

"I don't shave my legs because it's slavery!!!... oh, you do it because it makes you feel prettier? It's ok sister!!" 

They're quite adorable.

(And now tell me that "group talk" doesn't mean what I understood :P)
The Forum post is edited by Chaos Order Jan 7 '17
nith
nith Jan 8 '17

Group talk is an interesting part of the herd mentality. Sometimes it is as simple as using “we” or “us” when talking about a topic. Other times the speaker goes all out by saying “all <add group here>” or simply “everyone”. From what I can work out the basic idea is to add others to your side in a topic in a hope of making it look more popular and stronger than if it was just “I” or “myself”.


I am not counting groups that actually asked their members and then speak about the outcomes and popularity (unless the facts get warped).


The part of this that needs to be looked at first is when the idea that a group size is used to symbolise correctness. Popularity should have nothing to do with if a topic focus is correct or flawed unless your ordering pizza or something.

Chaos Order
Chaos Order Jan 11 '17

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Quote from Chaos Order  But... do you also think that women's mind and men's mind are different because of gender? You spoke about social roles (men can't show weakness, women can...) but, what's behind those roles for you? is it nature too? 

The body influence the mind so yes it's also in mind men and women are different. Saying that women are the weak sex in oppose to men has nothing to do with sexism because that's just a fact and women who becomes aware of that learns to exploit their feminine 
sexuality to influence men and become independent... 
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And, to not be told I'm misleading the thread, I gotta add that, for me, feminists are trying to say "we're not herd animals, we're individuals", like "we won't do what society tells us women must do, we are all different ¡ndividuals, we have freewill, let us be what we want". 


Feminists are delusional and the only problem is that their ideology shapes women to become delusional which how they becomes victim at the end. 
With this and some other things you said in other thread, I think I got your point about the male-female roles and characteristics and, even if I mostly disagree with you, I don't really want to focus my participation in this site in such topic. It's OK if that's the way you see the world and if it works for you. 

With such views, of course, everything about all humankind being treated equally makes no sense at all... again, if it works for you, it's OK.

As I said, my main reason to talk here was that everybody around me seems to hate and despise feminism and, as far as I've experienced it and I've seen it's not what it seems, I felt like defending it a bit, but it's not really my war, so, I don't really want to try to convince anybody of anything.

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The part of this that needs to be looked at first is when the idea that a group size is used to symbolise correctness. Popularity should have nothing to do with if a topic focus is correct or flawed unless your ordering pizza or something.

So, democracy is wrong in its basis and it's nothing but herd mentality. And if not democracy, at least politics are. 
nith
nith Jan 12 '17

Frater, You may want to re-read your post as that is one hell of an Freudian slip. I near spat my coffee over the screen. Thank you for the laugh any way.

nith
nith Jan 12 '17

Frater is either on some serious peyote like experience where no matter the topic he carries what ever topic he wants in the direction he wants (regardless to the actual topic happening),,, or he does not understand what was said and adds random sayings as he goes along?


Statements like “knowledge is never dangerous” are things that may be interesting to find his reasoning (if there is any) but as so many other questions have been avoided or skirted it may not be worth the bother.

tony
tony Mar 26 '17
Not only feminists or socialists, the same like satanists, in general break with somethings we call dogmas. So, it is interesting for a person to discover that being delicate can be something learned by the culture. When you realize culture has some instruments to produce people with some specific behaviour, you have the opportunity to be at least more free. I consider that anyone is totally free, but some knowledge helps you to be different from what society has told us to be since we were born. So, even though feminism and socialims have somethings can be criticized, they can be related with satanism by the fact that in all these aspects, no one wants to reproduce what society tells as correct, true and proper. 
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Frater, You may want to re-read your post as that is one hell of an Freudian slip. I near spat my coffee over the screen. Thank you for the laugh any way.


Knowledge is never dangerous and I always laugthing when feminists and socialists are talking. 

neyamiko
neyamiko Mar 27 '17
scientific studies show that people are mostly followers. But There are those who go against the grain. Like us.
Nick
Nick Mar 28 '17
Is a human a herd animal I would have to say yes because people want structure like a job so they can pay their bills and after that the can spend their money during their free time not everyone does this but most do and if you stop doing these things then you learn quickly that you won't have a place to live or have material possessions of course there are people who dont work and have things but most people have to go to work so if you say I want to do what I want to do then you will see the herd mentality and it's kinda in your face your not doing what the rest of the herd doing so your not part of the herd or society it's really about survival 
neyamiko
neyamiko Mar 28 '17

Quote from FraterLuciferi
Quote from neyamikoBut There are those who go against the grain. Like us.

Actually not. The goat is rebellious but still a herd beast...

I'm not real sure what a goat has to do with what I said. Goats are pretty cool. Alpacas are cooler. They spit on people. Hilarious.
neyamiko
neyamiko Mar 28 '17
actually I'm not sure that "herd" is the correct term since humans are primates. We live in large social groups.
Iggy Starman
Iggy Starman Apr 23 '17
I've picked the wrong goat avatar to jump into this conversation. Whoops.


I personally struggle with Individuality because even I don't want to deal with my own bull shit. So I'll play sheep [or goat] until I start treading uncomfortable waters or if I believe something needs to be stood up against. Sometimes it's easier to be part of the herd and not get hurt than to stand out and cause a scene and lose credibility with those you love. The counter argument being if those you love don't accept what you are then they don't love you - but I feel there are some ideas that should be practiced in different crowds, and play sheep until it's safe to take the damn mask off.

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