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Member MistressMage666
May 17 '18
I fucking wish I could turn off my mind, but Xanax is a vortex black hole of nothingness....
Dark Enlightenment
May 17 '18
But ironically, I pray to God regularly. It’s not an intellectual thing: it’s an emotional thing. Personally, praying is a tool I use to help me maintain the internal health of my emotions, and heartmind. My emotional wellbeing is important to me, likewise with my intellectual, physical, mental, sexual wellbeing.
I dont get this, and I am not trying to troll. Is this in the same sense a person might write to a diary or journal for venting/catharsis? Or is it sort of like a purposeful delusion to derive comfort from? And if so, how do you derive comfort from talking to something you know isn't there?
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Member EdMenonymous
May 17 '18
Im gonna guess a special nighty night concoction of meds?..
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Anna
May 18 '18
As usual, AK is capable of explaining any deep and intricate philosophical aspect in a simple, banal and down to earth manner.
Dark Enlightenment
May 18 '18
Believing you're in some hot threeway is good for a short term fix you know isn't real (and yes I agree to temporarily suspending disbelief is possible there), but it can't make that transistion to the "therapist" role internally because there's no payoff like climaxing.
I talk to myself too, and when it's not acting like Mother Abigail (AKA: Societies normative morality) that just got bitch-slapped by Randall Flagg, It's lying to me. As It's just me making shit up or projecting a do-good archetype to beat with a bat. A product of damaged frontal lobe I think.
When you know you're only talking to your malleable unconcsious how can you trust anything it really says? Faith? In the fallable projected bullshit you just made up?
I admire anyone who can derive comfort from it in they same way the can fantasize with porn. But mine is an unfortunate occurance, and most certainly not a ballancing or helpful experience. Its existance is so nonexistant it's a burden I wish was white noise.
First off, is it normal for you to hear it respond?
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Anna
May 18 '18
@Dark Enlightenment,
To bombard you even more with mind boggling stuff, I will tell you about my vision of God. For me it is also a type of energy permeating everything although I think it's conscious. I think if God had any causal form or call it a body, it would be limiting.
Although I'm a Catholic, I treat any religion as merely a causal and human vision of the Divine, this is why each of them has a grain of truth about God but none of them is a perfect reflection of Divinity.
A curious thing about praying. I once dreamt I was in the cave praying to the statue of Hecate. Another day, I dreamt I was praying at the altar of Christ surrounded by dogs. The dogs had halos round their heads. Considering the triple goddess (anything to do with the Holy Trinity I wonder?) was a guide in the darkness of the underground world, praying might be a way to tap into the unconscious mind.
To bombard you even more with mind boggling stuff, I will tell you about my vision of God. For me it is also a type of energy permeating everything although I think it's conscious. I think if God had any causal form or call it a body, it would be limiting.
Although I'm a Catholic, I treat any religion as merely a causal and human vision of the Divine, this is why each of them has a grain of truth about God but none of them is a perfect reflection of Divinity.
A curious thing about praying. I once dreamt I was in the cave praying to the statue of Hecate. Another day, I dreamt I was praying at the altar of Christ surrounded by dogs. The dogs had halos round their heads. Considering the triple goddess (anything to do with the Holy Trinity I wonder?) was a guide in the darkness of the underground world, praying might be a way to tap into the unconscious mind.
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Dark Enlightenment
May 18 '18
@Anna
More likely, I would assume I watched "All Dogs Go To Heaven" too close to bedtime. I don't buy for one second the unconcsious is any kind of divining method unless you can do with a 1/4 success rate. That slides into fanciful delusions like shit peddler Allison Dubois, who trashes around selling people "life after death exists, and dead people come and help me solve crimes for Phoenix PD Homocide". Even my mother, who I considered smart, bought her bullshit. Bitch gets a few things right about The Baseline Shooter and everyone goes all Ancient Aliens about shit.
It's that process of seeing disconnected pieces and using your fallable subjective interpretation to put it together. A kind of self driven vision quest where the Space Coyote tells you to find your soul mate. A spititual approach that makes me believe the VMAT2 gene must exist. To each their own in the purest sense.
In the same way some folk are "sedative opposites" some people are "faith opposites", IMO. Use to be more of them around these parts.
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Dark Enlightenment
May 18 '18
Right on. Like I have said, I admire your ability to derive use from such faithful and abstract concepts. Especially with ones known to be as much.No, it's not like venting or keeping a diary. I do have a diary into which I vent and bitch though. It's also not done to derive comfort.
It's an Asian/Chinese thing I guess. What I do with God and the rosary in our [Chinese] culture is called "Cultivation of Pre-Natal Energy." Pre-Natal energy is also called "Pre-Heaven" energy. Pre-Natal energy is the force or energy of your Hearmind, your Psyche, your Heart Center; also called Heart-Energy [Chi proper].
There are two types of energy/chi: 1) Pre-Natal [or pre-heaven] & 2) Post-Natal [or post-heaven]. As a diminutive fractal pattern these two energies correspond to your Heart/Emotions [pre-heaven energy] and to your brain/thoughts [post-heaven]. Before Thinking, Opinions, Belief comes into being, the emotion or feeling first exists. Before the sky [heaven] existed - which is to say: before the physical universe existed or materialized - there existed Pre-Heaven energy. And so your heartmind's energy/chi is connected to the pre-heaven chi of the cosmos.
Praying is a method of Cultivating or generating chi proper with your heartmind, for later use when needed.
And it's actual praying, not venting, or seeking comfort. For instance, typically, I would first say the whole Rosary, and at the end, I would say my prayers to God - who doesn't exist. Typically my prayer looks something like this:
"I'm grateful for the experiences you have provided me this day. I had a good day today. I'm very grateful for the little things I have in life and I recognize that you are the source of Providence that provides me such things. Next week my friend John Doe will be going for a job interview. Please watch over him and provide him the job he needs. Thank you."
This video goes into the details of why you would pray to something fake or non-existent. But on the "therapeutic" side, it's good to learn how to express gratitude, and praying builds confidence, which is a Power in itself.
Confidence coming from the two Latin roots: Con + Fides, meaning With + Faith.
I have heard it said "religion (or faithful belief) heals whats broken" and I'm left wondering how the fuck people make that work for them.
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Dark Enlightenment
May 18 '18
*Semantic clarification*
Religion not per Anton LaVey's train. Religion as faith. Not religion as synonymous with praxis. My Antitheistic self-gratifying war against all forms of faith is religion if you think about it. What should it be called?
Repost as "religion" as definition one of faith. Taking abstraction (The quality of dealing with ideas rather than events) and turning THAT into something useful. How do people make THAT work for them? An example would be AA. How does a person take a belief "god will save them" and use that seriously.
Like the inverse of an evangelical trying to conceptualize a satanic core. To me satanism is along lines of abstraction, and WHO derives use from them. Ideas only become useful through my religion known as the Scientific Method. Casting away "signs from god" in favor of peer review. The dissolution of faith, destiny, and purpose. There is no other more unifying illustration in my mind.
Observation to establish faith; not faith to establish observation.
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Dark Enlightenment
May 19 '18
More knowledge about eastern philosophy then i will ever have.That is literally foreign to me. It should not take so much study or learning about what others believe to balance yourself. For me anyway, you obviously do well with it. To me it has this element of "Oh that sounds spiritual because the guy that sold me the mogwai said it."
The vending machine of magic because you prayed to a statue "thing" is the same "thing" begatting an entire aisle of Jesus candles at Walmart. "Orishas of divine powerball jackpot"...
I do a job subject to natural lulls in demand and at times it can feel downright intentional. It warped me. I started to believe my mindset was preventing business. I started to believe I needed to not be concerned about it just to avoid those lulls. Almost like a sports superstition. The epiphany was my behavior and impatience was directly contributing and exacerbating what never had a causal thread beyond what I physically contributed to.
For all the acedemic knowlege and Spiritual enlightenment it represents all I see is a drain pipe of unknown liquid that splits into 18 different spouts all believed to be dispensing a different liquid. Which is a far cry from pressure points and nerve clusters in the body and the interpretations surrounding them.
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Dark Enlightenment
May 19 '18
The Chinese just explains stuff in a Chinese way, and Westerners have explained the same stuff in Western ways. I've tried to explain the gist of this stuff in Western terms over here. Basically, AK in post #16 breaks everything down into its fundamental essence: psyche, and Anna did too likewise: the Unconscious mind.
Once the theories and principles have been understood or learned, the most important thing to do is Prove it or Test it, by putting the shit into practice. Personally I've tested it, and I am able to manifest what I ask for; or actually I should say: Providence has blessed me with everything I request; in a matter of days. So far it has never failed me. It's a causal system: you get out of it what you put into it.
[line from another post removed - composing two at once]
I'll leave it here.
Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm.
Lisa: That's specious reasoning, Dad.
Homer: Thank you, dear.
Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
Homer: Oh, how does it work?
Lisa: It doesn't work.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: It's just a stupid rock.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around, do you?
[Homer thinks of this, then pulls out some money]
Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your rock.
[Lisa refuses at first, then takes the exchange]
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Dark Enlightenment
May 19 '18
I am doubtful it is rightly to be called faith if it is predicated by observation. A faith that can be reasoned into or out of is not faith at all.That is the best I can do. Definition two, synonomous with trust.
The modality of reasoning is as much at a loss to apprehend faith as taste is to touch. Reason, quite reasonably, rejects that which is unreasonable. Even so, the unreasonable faculties of the psyche persist quite impervious to reason's scrutiny, demands and or objections.
I'm not all that mystified by the mind.
* On both responses *
There is an unconcsious. A shadow, and everything influenced by all forms of imprinting up to and including debate topics. It does weird things, connects to others in weird ways, but what does that really say other then we are essentially biological radios emmitting electromagnetic waves. Capable of so much more that we just do not know yet. I withhold judgment until I am convinced by testing that yields results beyond "because it works". To apply a lexicon not my own to explain what I see in a new way that adds new layers and concepts making it far too complex violates my need for simplicity.
Anacdote: I knew some chick that could move shit on the shelf in my bedroom from distance. I remember thinking it seemed akin to resonance and frequency. Like harmonic levitation. She could only do it in jolts. Like her "remote kinetic ability" was limited to knocking shit over or moving blinds.
* Final edit *
Interesting thing. If I try to explain it along "telekinetic" lines I become the crazy one, but if I frame it in the context of spirits and poltergeists suddenly its a completely sane thing to think random shit moving in my room is evidence of Amityville.
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Dark Enlightenment
May 19 '18
To your point, though "because it works" accounts for 99% of the cool stuff I can do on a skateboard, or with poi, or pool, or any of the other weird hobbies I have. I couldn't tell you the physics behind any of it. Additionally, I don't succeed in doing these things 100% of the time. How does one delineate skill from luck in these instances? Success rates of greater than what %? 50/50? Is it skepticism or pessimism that drives your inquiring? After all, we all know of the placebo effect and yet often fail to consider that the effect is at least potent enough to warrant testing against. How and why that works: who knows? But likely we'll have an answer some day.
Out of context. The physics of a fakie hardflip is a well understood principle of newtonian motion. It's applying concept to things with no apparent cause. Like with my "telekinesis" example an unsatisfactory answer would be something like: "It enters a web of consciousness and causation that permeates everything and effects the causal"
Out of context. The physics of a fakie hardflip is a well understood principle of newtonian motion. It's applying concept to things with no apparent cause. Like with my "telekinesis" example an unsatisfactory answer would be something like: "It enters a web of consciousness and causation that permeates everything and effects the causal"
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