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Results are all that matter with psychodrama? 

Tom: If you demand prove for magical invocation you have not understood the concepts of magic. The experience with demons will always be an emotional experience. A psychodrama. As LeRoy used to state. You see the demon with your mind and not with your eyes. Now, since Satanism is a carnal religion it makes only sense for me that the Satanist would conjure demons that relates to lust, compassion and destruction. 

Long post - this is my viewpoint on this. I don’t think anybody can just do a lust ritual and as a direct result of that lust ritual find some hot-girl to fuck. Moreover, I don’t think you can do a destruction ritual and as a direct result cause your enemy to get hit by a car and die. I don’t think magic works like that. If you want to get rich - then I don’t think a “show me the money” ritual by itself will do it.

As an aside: I don’t really think there is some direct solid connection between the litany or invocation and the use of magical tools in a ritual, on the one hand and the deeper underlying reality which you are trying to effect, on the other hand. One is just language and the other is dare I say “mystical.” Demons are just language. Demons with particular biographies and functions in narratives are just language. The connection between the ritual and the underlying reality is more tenuous and inexact and fluid and difficult to fathom. You are trying to connect with something deeper through the language. You are trying to influence something deeper through the language. The language itself does not completely describe that reality. It is not that exact I think. You are trying to plug into a current.  

LaVey talks about the emotional content of magical ritual. That is useful if you are trying to exhaust an emotion behind, or at the essence, of a desire for something to happen. You are angry at your enemy – you perform a ritual and blast your enemy magically until the desire and urge is gone. It’s like ejaculation. The magic I like to do is never like this. It is far more cerebral and contemplative and cold.

I don’t know if this is going to make sense, but it might be worthwhile talking allegorically/metaphorically.

Think of a chess game. The pieces are located on a chess board. The board determines the limits and the possible places where each piece can go. The pieces themselves have certain characteristics which allow them to do different things. The goal of the game is to win and you are confronted by an opponent. You must move your pieces in such a way as to win. You move this and you move that. Somebody else is moving against you.

Magic can influence the overall strategy of my game. It is macro-level stuff. It can determine the outcome of the game at a higher level. The successful macro-strategy for winning the game comes out of the magic and my conscious intention. My intention is formed by the magic. I am moving in accord with my magic and it guides my hand. It runs through me. It is the electricity powering my overall game plan. Conscious intention is not the sole factor in my success. The magic is influencing the outcome as well.  

Let's focus on the Lust ritual. 

Person does ritual. "Incantation for Nympho-Succubi" 

"Oh Lilith or other feminine sex-related one, I call upon the to [insert magical portal] and so on and so forth until the dark force delivers me a twisted devil bitch. Shaba-door-dash, Hail Satan."

That person then has that extra confidence. So they go the bar that is always playing Cradle of Filth, the ones where you know many of the girls lost their virginity to their stepdad. 

You stand confident in the mix, with your body language projecting approachability. Then some bleached skin vampire looking bitch comes walking by and you confidently strike up conversation. She then explains she goes by Lilith Immaculate and that her father is an incubus that impregnated her prostitute mother and sent a demon to possess her on her 11th birthday. 

Now you're getting laid. And she only asks you chain her up and cut her a little. And you couldn't have had it realized unless you forced that confidence into yourself. Like magic. 

Wolfie: ‘ I take it as axiomatic that an event which only my psyche can detect is an event which only my psyche participated in.’

That almost comes across as Fichtean position. That could be regarded, in some sense, as a powerful satanic position. Can you explain that more please?

To Dark Enlightenment: my "Incantation for Nympho-Succubi" ritual  obviously sux hard because I never got a nympho-succubi bitch. Worst luck. Damn, I fucken hate magic…

Yeah well that's for him to decide, not you.

Life is nothing but processes. Some are unconscious, some are subconscious, and some are conscious. The unconscious processes are the metabolic ones like digestion, circulation, and respiration. The conscious processes are the mental ones like seeing, thinking, fight/flight, and appetite. The subconscious processes are the mysterious ones like the Shadow and the neuroses.

The unconscious processes become conscious through pain and discomfort, whereas the subconscious ones become conscious through symbolic experiences that occur in dreams or in altered states. The Shadow, for example, can become conscious through the symbolic experience of demonic visitation.

When performing ritual in an enclosed, private space, the only entity I’m interacting with is myself. To put it more precisely, my conscious processes are interacting with my subconscious ones.

Planes of "being" others will exclaim. 

The truth is in the middle. 

Possession is rarely of the eye-turning, blood-vomiting and/or of the carnal incorporated kind. 

It's more about the subtle craving and subsequent indulgences to the extend of downright addiction. 

Ask yourself, why would a more powerful extra-dimensional entity abide to do your bidding? Because you asked? Because you reached out? 
Far more likely to be played in an ongoing game in the most subtle of ways possible. 

Logic 101. 

The real possessed end up psychological nightmares. And it's always something trauma-related like; getting molested, being a homo, or having very "insufficient manhood".  And the lack of self control OR AWARENESS surrounding those emotions.   

Demons are shadow selves. And how 'active' your prefrontal cortex is is directly proportional to how strong the demon is. E.g. people who do amphetamines have much stronger experiences with the repressed shadow self. 

You cant really conjure demonic possession with a single anything. In the negative context they are psychological damage that accrues over time, usually through repression of self.