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Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Apr 10 '21
Quote from Aborior Translatione 

So you can't have a political opinion as part of your Satanism? 


Unless you completely reject society and have no role in it (live off the grid completely) politics matters to you and molds your approach.  


It effects when you can buy things, go places, spend your money on, and artificial legal codes may punish you for misbehavior when you are caught. Sometimes humorously. But still, you live in a society of artificial rules that sculpts your opinion, whether you agree with it or not. 


We all get rubbed on by authority in some way we will respond to. Satanists all get defiant of political authority in some way..


You can't have Satan without politics. 


A. In the TST's case the authority is citing abstract moral dictates to write laws.  Like what constitutes life, and what is permissible love.  This ONLY hits at a core of a person applicable to those dictates. Pro choice opinions, and gay opinions. And While a Satanist wouldn't necessarily join a movement they might do an abortion raffle of their very own. Start their own accusation.


B. In the opposite of the TST's case. It's the PC police that are authoritative. And they are. Moral god dictates became inclusiveness PC shaming dictates and now you must walk on legal eggshells with what you say, lest you be sacrificed for intolerance. 


A SATANIST provoked by this may decide to dress up like Hitler and go protest the ACLU in place of the abortion raffle. 


The common thread is the core transgression. Not in the sense of transgression of yourself (or any self overcoming shit) but a transgression of the societal norms as a core trait of your personality. 


Do you FUCKING GET why A & B are similar? 


You should if it's your core personality. 


TST is totally a joke because those types of people who are attracted to that organization are NOT suppressed. In fact they are the ones who suppress others. TST is like the little mouse crawling on the elephants and says "Look at me I stomp". 


My relation to politics is that I do vote and that's it. I encourage anyone to vote despite they don't believe in any political parties because if you don't vote you will place the vote in the hands of an other that could threaten your existence. 

Now with these insane feminists and other radical leftists are dominating the western society I encourage people to vote to oppose them. There is no need for Satan to this. Satanism is a religion and religion is what separates people only.

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Aborior Translatione

You side-stepped the question you can't answer again. You really must think it is an unanswerable riddle or something..


How is A similar to B? It's a litmus test. 


Or what about:


In your opinion a person can not use the TST or similar tactics in defiance of abrassive christianity as a part of their autodeification? 


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Anna
Anna Apr 10 '21
@TR

So now we know how Satan opposed God. He voted against him in heavenly elections. That means he cast his vote for archangel Michael who later on back-stabbed him. This is Satanic defiance according to Frater Lucypurr. 

Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Apr 10 '21
Quote from Aborior Translatione So in your opinion a person couldn't use the TST or similar tactics protesting abrassive christianity as a method of autodeification? 



I doubt a Satanist would have use for it... The reason why people becomes a mob is often because they as individuals are empty inside. Those members of TST are clearly people with past 
trauma whatever it's sexual abuse or mentally illness like borderline for instance. When I look at these people I just see there is something wrong with them...
Aborior Translatione
Not going to answer how A and B are similar, are you?


Okay, A is an invalid answer then.... 


Quote from Tom Riddle
Quote from Aborior Translatione So in your opinion a person couldn't use the TST or similar tactics protesting abrassive christianity as a method of autodeification? 



I doubt a Satanist would have use for it... The reason why people becomes a mob is often because they as individuals are empty inside. Those members of TST are clearly people with past 
trauma whatever it's sexual abuse or mentally illness like borderline for instance. When I look at these people I just see there is something wrong with them...
What about B? Let's expand that example? 


What if a person committed a hate speech offense (found themselves in the position of Mel Gibson at a DUI stop), and then had to face the court of public shaming..  They then get told, "You must not say things that offend people lest we destroy your reputation and outcast you. Anger is no excuse. We want you to apologize for your private flagged Facebook post in question and attend a seminar on diversity."


This person chooses in response to dress up like Adolf Hitler with a sign that says, "The holocaust is a lie" and go stand in front of a Jewish Community Center. This person isn't even a neo-nazi yet there they are dressing up like Hitler in response to social shaming and "submission or else".


Why? 


Would you qualify THAT AS LHP in any way? 

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Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Apr 10 '21
I can't relate to anything what you say because it's gibberish to me. 

I can only say that if you have a cause above yourself you are on the RHP while on the LHP you are your own cause. 

Aborior Translatione

I can't relate to anything what you say because it's gibberish to me. 

I can only say that if you have a cause above yourself you are on the RHP while on the LHP you are your own cause. 


You can't relate and it reads as gibberish because YOU ARE NOT LHP..


And enjoy the slaughterhouse you're being led too.


Stop talking like you can educate people on Satanism because you cant even recognize the essence of the fire inside every core Satanist. Like what causes one to break social taboo.  If you can't grok it, stop admonishing people that don't subscribe to your exoteric primitive view. 


And if you do, expect this by people like me. 

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Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Apr 10 '21
Quote from Aborior Translatione

You can't relate because YOU ARE NOT LHP..


And enjoy the slaughterhouse you're being led too.


If that's gibberish, and you can't respond, than you have affirmed everything that needs to be.


Stop talking like you can educate people on Satanism because you cant even recognize the essence of the fire inside every core Satanist. Like what causes one to break social taboo.  If you can't grok it, stop admonishing people that don't subscribe to your exoteric primitive view. 


And if you do, expect this by people like me. 


You guys really have a completely twisted view on me as a person. It's like you think I consider myself to be a gospel of Satanism or a preacher. Instead of wasting your energy on bulling me then you should rather question your own assumptions of me. 

To me it's just obvious that people who attacks me here have not read the satanic bible and worse is that it's because they compare it with religious scriptures. Since other satanic books have been written in order to "modify TSB" and to redefine Satanism because TSB is "outdated" also just proves that these people have never read TSB beside an incomplete version of it on the internet. Why there exists theists and atheists claiming to be Satanists is clearly because of the overlooked of the intellectual decompression chamber. Beliefs does not matter in the ritual practice of Satanism.





Aborior Translatione


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Quote from Aborior Translatione

You can't relate because YOU ARE NOT LHP..


And enjoy the slaughterhouse you're being led too.


If that's gibberish, and you can't respond, than you have affirmed everything that needs to be.


Stop talking like you can educate people on Satanism because you cant even recognize the essence of the fire inside every core Satanist. Like what causes one to break social taboo.  If you can't grok it, stop admonishing people that don't subscribe to your exoteric primitive view. 


And if you do, expect this by people like me. 


You guys really have a completely twisted view on me as a person. It's like you think I consider myself to be a gospel of Satanism or a preacher. Instead of wasting your energy on bulling me then you should rather question your own assumptions of me. 

To me it's just obvious that people who attacks me here have not read the satanic bible and worse is that it's because they compare it with religious scriptures. Since other satanic books have been written in order to "modify TSB" and to redefine Satanism because TSB is "outdated" also just proves that these people have never read TSB beside an incomplete version of it on the internet. Why there exists theists and atheists claiming to be Satanists is clearly because of the overlooked of the intellectual decompression chamber. Beliefs does not matter in the ritual practice of Satanism.






I do not need to question my motives. 


You annoy the fucking shit out of me because you are that mundane type of aggravating shit that can't acknowledge their own counterproductive pride. Or admit they dont what the fuck they are talking about.  You have contradicted yourself more than the new testament and you can't recognize "the essence to the form", as they say. 


Back to the "neonazi" angle. 


I once met this chick who would walk around in a bathing suit at the beach with a bright red and black henna ink swastika tattoo on her chest just to push the boundaries of societal taboo. Just to experience the act (discomfort included) of wearing an admonishable scarlet letter in public and push sensitivities of others in the process.  The same reason Boyd Rice wore Nazi Regalia at the height of the satanic panic. 


You are probably so off base that's more gibberish, isn't it?  Can you even recognize that as satanic? 


Still, there you are talking down at people like you know and everyone else doesn't. 


Are you so fucking mundane you can't see the LHP as anything that doesn't include the words "intellectual decompression chamber" or "I am my own god!"? How can simply serving yourself above all when every televangelist does it too? 


Any debate, any topic, you acting this way would yield the same response. The topic is transitive. 


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Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Apr 10 '21
Quote from Aborior Translatione
I do not need to question my motives. 


You annoy the fucking shit out of me because you are that mundane type of aggravating shit that can't acknowledge their own counterproductive pride. Or admit they dont what the fuck they are talking about.  You have contradicted yourself more than the new testament and you can't recognize "the essence to the form", as they say. 


Back to the "neonazi" angle. 


I once met this chick who would walk around in a bathing suit at the beach with a bright red and black henna ink swastika tattoo on her chest just to push the boundaries of societal taboo. Just to experience the act (discomfort included) of wearing an admonishable scarlet letter in public and push sensitivities of others in the process.  The same reason Boyd Rice wore Nazi Regalia at the height of the satanic panic. 


You are probably so off base that's more gibberish, isn't it?  Can you even recognize that as satanic? 


Still, there you are talking down at people like you know and everyone else doesn't. 


Are you so fucking mundane you can't see the LHP as anything that doesn't include the words "intellectual decompression chamber" or "I am my own god!"? How can simply serving yourself above all when every televangelist does it too? 


Any debate, any topic, you acting this way would yield the same response. The topic is transitive. 



When you treat people like shit and call them names they won't listen to you. That may be the real reason why I do not read your whole posts because you are a bully and a common trait of all bullies is they believe their actions are justified "you deserved it". 

Case closed.

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Aborior Translatione
And you need to sidestep all the questions you can't answer. 


But you do serve a purpose. 


You help people learn to not react to deliberately aggravating individuals. The types you want to go meet in real life and beat your point into.  You are so stupidly annoying you actually serve to expand people's tolerance for annoying stupidity, and by engaging you they will find themselves less pissed at that annoying stupidity the more they "debate" you. It's a brick wall meeting an intellectual black hole. 


 And it's a futile fight. 


Like you missed the question on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire and now refuse to walk off stage saying, "No, I am right you I should still be playing." 


Engaging you is like engaging that person. It truly pushes the limits of being annoyed by human behavior.  Or what to do when that person chains themself to the game chair console thing all the lights focus on.


Plus you have given us the most active, fastest moving page by virtue of being so irredeemably stupid.  It reminds me of the fun times. Usually they rage quit, but you're fighting to stay so it's different. 


Kudos in any case. 

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Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Apr 10 '21
Have a nice day.
Anna
Anna Apr 11 '21

Quote from Tom Riddle
When you treat people like shit and call them names they won't listen to you. That may be the real reason why I do not read your whole posts because you are a bully and a common trait of all bullies is they believe their actions are justified "you deserved it". 

Case closed.

 For goodness' sake man, stop calling people bullies. If you could check in your dictionary what "bullying" actually is. Just how old are you?


While the lack of reaction to empty ad hominems in a debate can earn one points for not being easily provoked, ignoring valid questions and counter-arguments makes one look like an idiot, especially if they are relevant to the discussion. 


One argument that could be raised against TST is that they act within the confines of the legal system. One could try to argue that since everything they do is permitted by the law, they don't really break any taboo so they aren't really LHP. Or since they believe in the constitutional rights, it's the substitute for God, only it's the secular authority. I tried to help you with this one but you took my satirical response totally seriously instead of getting the hint. You could also try to argue that TST activism is reactionary childishness not leading to any actual social or political change except for, maybe, earning the media attention. But that would require following the news and having some basic knowledge of TST activities and their impact on the society or the lack of it and you've been too lazy to do your homework.


The topic about whether TST is Satanic or not and why dates back to 2014. It was discussed here and on 600 Club ad nauseam. The Wayback machine has it archived so it could be enough to read it. People were coming up with decent arguments. That doesn't mean these arguments aren't debatable but, for sure, they are less idiotic than an argument "TST are not Satanists because I don't like them" because this is what your argument in the whole thread boils down to. You can't define Satanism, you're clueless about TST activities, clueless about the history of grottos, clueless about the meaning of LHP in Western occult tradition, not to mention any knowledge about how it relates to the Eastern one.


Summing up, you started a discussion while being totally unprepared for it. The only thing you can do is accusing others of not reading TSB but anyone reading the thread will see that the questions pertaining to the topic at hand remain unanswered by you. 

Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Apr 11 '21
Quote from Anna 

While the lack of reaction to empty ad hominems in a debate can earn one points for not being easily provoked, ignoring valid questions and counter-arguments makes one look like an idiot, especially if they are relevant to the discussion. 


One argument that could be raised against TST is that they act within the confines of the legal system. One could try to argue that since everything they do is permitted by the law, they don't really break any taboo so they aren't really LHP. Or since they believe in the constitutional rights, it's the substitute for God, only it's the secular authority. I tried to help you with this one but you took my satirical response totally seriously instead of getting the hint. You could also try to argue that TST activism is reactionary childishness not leading to any actual social or political change except for, maybe, earning the media attention. But that would require following the news and having some basic knowledge of TST activities and their impact on the society or the lack of it and you've been too lazy to do your homework.


The topic about whether TST is Satanic or not and why dates back to 2014. It was discussed here and on 600 Club ad nauseam. The Wayback machine has it archived so it could be enough to read it. People were coming up with decent arguments. That doesn't mean these arguments aren't debatable but, for sure, they are less idiotic than an argument "TST are not Satanists because I don't like them" because this is what your argument in the whole thread boils down to. You can't define Satanism, you're clueless about TST activities, clueless about the history of grottos, clueless about the meaning of LHP in Western occult tradition, not to mention any knowledge about how it relates to the Eastern one.


You are right. I was not in the beginning prepared that I was up against manipulating rhetoric and a lot of straw mans and fallacies. 


The first fallacy people have committed here is to assume that I reject people to be Satanists because they disagree with me. This is totally twisted because I states again and again that this is not about people I disagree with. I can acknowledge people to be Satanists despite I disagree with them. If we define Satanists as critical thinkers with a passion for the carnal it leads to no debate about philosophy. 2 individuals with those traits can be 2 different people with different values. I can enjoy in the flesh by drinking a cola and masturbate while the other can enjoy in the flesh by drinking a beer and fuck a chick or a dude.


When I study and observe who is Satanists and who are not then it's based on their reactions and traits.


Claiming that I have no clue about TST activities, history of grottos and the meaning of LHP in western occultism is really silly. I don't relate to the grottoes simply because they origins in a different time period. Time have changed. We also know how Gilmore radically changed CoS which frustrated many Satanists and left it to went out and create new organizations. One of them here in Denmark was Satanisk Forum but they also almost disappeared from the surface and they got destroyed in the debate as they could not give good arguments to call themselves satanic because they denied the fact that Satanism was a religion. There is no point in the symbol of Satan without the religion. Satanism today is a totally mess as a term and the term has become more than less useless. Being a Satanist is a trait and that's the only premise we can work from especially when there is no holy scriptures and authorities. 



Quote from Anna
The only thing you can do is accusing others of not reading TSB but anyone reading the thread will see that the questions pertaining to the topic at hand remain unanswered by you. 

I accusing people for not have read TSB because that's what they demonstrates and I find it problematic because TSB introduce us to a definition of Satanism that can be applied. I don't answer questions if I suspect them to be pseudo or have a hidden agenda. If people did not called me many silly names I would probably not have been in my automatic defense state of mind. This is what many people don't realize in conversations. If you call people "failures" or "idiots" or other names then they won't listen to you. It's completely natural human response. 

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Anna
Anna Apr 11 '21
You haven't given any arguments to support your thesis that TST are not Satanists. The grottos are relevant because they were really the same thing as the "black houses" you proposed here. Whether you call them black houses, grottos, chapters or pink flamingos; the name doesn't matter. Your idea is nothing new. The same goes for all the contrarguments and questions asked of you. They were all relevant to the topic you yourself created. And no, you don't have to answer anything but it only shows how ignorant you are. Keep deluding yourself. 
Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Apr 11 '21
Quote from Anna You haven't given any arguments to support your thesis that TST are not Satanists. The grottos are relevant because they were really the same thing as the "black houses" you proposed here. 

No they are not the same. It does not have to be a black house itself but just a big basements for the ritual chamber in the local area (to exclude all light beside the candles). Why do you even care about this discussion when you yourself states you are not a Satanist?


As for TST how is this for instance satanic? 

  1. "One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason."

My question is why? When Satan accused Jahveh for his blind faith in Job's loyalty it's a character of a doubter. It's like TST only takes a specific canon while I focus on the study the character of Satan himself.

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Anna
Anna Apr 11 '21
For fuck's sake, when we talk about black houses, grottos, chapters or covens, the meaning is a group of people gathered together for the ritual and/or study/practice of magic. Grottos basically mirrored LaVey's magic circle. Their aim was group rituals, study and socializing. They were also quite independent, which was one of the reasons they bothered LaVey. How is your idea new?


How is this, for instance, Satanic?

"Do not harm little children."


And why not? Does Satan have special feelings for children? C'mon, these are little monsters. If Satan is a doubter, for sure he must doubt children's innocence and seek to corrupt them. 

Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Apr 11 '21
Quote from Anna For fuck's sake, when we talk about black houses, grottos, chapters or covens, the meaning is a group of people gathered together for the ritual and/or study/practice of magic. Grottos basically mirrored LaVey's magic circle. Their aim was group rituals, study and socializing. They were also quite independent, which was one of the reasons they bothered LaVey. How is your idea new?

My black house/coven or ritual chamber is different from LaVey in the sense that I base it on actual understanding of the esoteric and psychology. LaVey observed many things but he did also based some of his criticism on straw mans. TSB shall not be viewed as a holy book or manifest. It's an introduction to Satanism.

Quote from Anna

How is this, for instance, Satanic?

"Do not harm little children."


It's not. I have the same criticism towards the satanic rules on earth. Satanic tenets, rules and sins is to me 
oxymoronic and it attracts blind believers. That was my greatest problem with TSB. LaVey should have used Book of Satan (the first section of TSB) to come with examples of how Satan behaved like his behavior in Book of Job for instance, so the reader actually could see himself reflected in it (if he was a Satanist unaware). Still I consider it to be important to read TSB because then people are at least educated on the satanic language. When I encountered TST people in satanic facebook groups they did not understood the context of the term "satanic magic". LaVey used the term in an other context separated from the occult and illusionism. TSB has a lot of metaphorical speaking which many seems to overlook. 


So in answer to you question about children I agree with you. Satan would question if it really was the case that children were innocent.

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Anna
Anna Apr 11 '21
Oh great sage, I didn't know you were satanically wiser than Anton LaVey. So what's that "actual understanding of the esoteric and psychology" of yours? Because so far you demonstrated none.


And yeah, you're right there is nothing Satanic about the 11 rules of the earth. The question regarding TST concerned using its activism as a tool of transgression against the oppressive Christian status quo. It's not about statements but actions. 

Aborior Translatione
My black house/coven or ritual chamber is different from LaVey in the sense that I base it on actual understanding of the esoteric and psychology


Okay, Explain this one: 




* Changed a****** image used. 

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