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Atheists can believe in magic and ritual..
Correction, people that call themselves atheist. If you cite any "dark force of entropy" (like the CoS) you have a working abstraction to act as causal placeholder. You are arguing for a divine principle of some sort. When you look at magical purposes for why something happened your are inserting just another theological premise.
If they were intellectually honest their lack of belief would extend to all matters of unknown placeholders including the causal role of magic and a rejection of all baseless assertions.
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What if it was shown concsiousness can effect outcome? Like if you actually did a PEER REVIEWED UNBIASED study proving beyond doubt that a group of people can effect a random number generator consistently?
What does that do really?
You will still have people asking if our thoughts travel through George Lucas' Force to change the numbers that are spit out. People will always be prone to seeing Vishnu at the center of the earth pushing causal buttons for us.
why can't the archetype be used as a tool to achieve one's goals, political or otherwise? Answer the question.
Because it has no power. All what TST has done is to make the term "Satanism" unless and Satanism is no longer feared nor respected. It's now associated with the clown world.
Think of it like this. Christian Antichrist fear says Satan is overthrowing God's kingdom with non-belief and tricks. Tricks such as whitewashing Satan and trying to make it kid friendly. You want to insense Christians you corrupt their children. No different than the reaction some folks have to their children learning about evolution in biology class. It's actually worse then the devil of terror and evil because look at how cute that unicorn is!
Lisa Frank + Satan = Pissed off parents of 9 christian girls and 1 boy.
You just have to know how to take that "3rd side perspective" to see the powerful antagonist in the demonic children's coloring book.
You think your vision of Satanism is the only accurate one
Tell me Anna... Why do you think atheistic, theistic and spiritual Satanists can all agree that TST are not satanic?
You are arguing for a divine principle of some sort. When you look at magical purposes for why something happened your are inserting just another theological premise.
https://www.churchofsatan.com/simplifying-satanic-atheism/
Think of it like this. Christian Antichrist fear says Satan is overthrowing God's kingdom with non-belief and tricks. Tricks such as whitewashing Satan and trying to make it kid friendly. You want to insense Christians you corrupt their children. No different than the reaction some folks have to their children learning about evolution in biology class. It's actually worse then the devil of terror and evil because look at how cute that unicorn is!
Lisa Frank + Satan = Pissed off parents of 9 christian girls and 1 boy.
What TST are doing has nothing to do with Satanism. All they do is to promote Woke leftwing politics and their arguments are so weak that they need to indoctrinate kids with the bullshit because kids are most vulnerable. That's child abuse. They promotes feminism which is misandrist and hostile towards natural masculinity. Satan represents defiance of any suppression of man's carnal instincts and drives. Satan represents the defiance of people like TST.
And most of all, their satanic imagery has not served their cause because they only have success as the society is already have been Woke. They are the mouse crawling on the elephant.
You think your vision of Satanism is the only accurate one
Tell me Anna... Why do you think atheistic, theistic and spiritual Satanists can all agree that TST are not satanic?
Bandwagon fallacy.
The status quo (OF OTHER SATANISTS) says that TST's activism nullifies the Satanism because it seeks to use law enforcement to fight their battle for them. It appeals to one branch of nomian society and is considered "default liberal". And as correct as that may be, O9A is still a default conservative position where self sufficiency is concerned. And if you consider the meme origin, it's indirectly pot and kettle. At least in reference to the metaphorical eye of providence of the master that is law and order and emergent two-party culture.
Point of fact: In rural America TST events, even ones they are putting on to pull a Pastafarian church v. state argument, is still extreme by rural cultural norms. Devil is still holding a raffle to kill a baby. The event itself is transgressive to normative morality. So the event as a Satanic act, qualifies.
There's just not enough to make that determination about those that attend.
What TST are doing has nothing to do with Satanism. All they do is to promote Woke leftwing politics and their arguments are so weak that they need to indoctrinate kids with the bullshit because kids are most vulnerable. That's child abuse. They promotes feminism which is misandrist and hostile towards natural masculinity. Satan represents defiance of any suppression of man's carnal instincts and drives. Satan represents the defiance of people like TST.Unless you are still sick of Christians instead of the erroneously determined liberal activists. Tell me, do you consider the challenge to The Kansas State Board of Education liberal as well? Seems like there's some herd behavior to come up with that determination.
And most of all, their satanic imagery has not served their cause because they only have success as the society is already have been Woke. They are the mouse crawling on the elephant.
See above response in conjunction with this.
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They promotes feminism which is misandrist and hostile towards natural masculinity.
And you determined that Might Is Right is dated why?
The event itself is transgressive to normative morality. So the event as a Satanic act, qualifies.
All founders of religions have been transgressive, so are they all satanic? Defiance is satanic indeed but a trait devils also have is carnal and wordily hostility to those who represents anti-carnal and anti-wordily.
And you determined that Might Is Right is dated why?
I have taken my words back... Based on my experience in life and observations of society then those with power are those without morality. Morality only exists as long their are social consequences. This is why politicians demonstrates no morality as they can get await with their actions.
And that would be because people are all a bunch of fucking parrots that need others to come up with their opinions for them.
Really? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fas1UPq6S0c
Defiance traits are irrelevant to the nomos (governing human behavior) in play.The event itself is transgressive to normative morality. So the event as a Satanic act, qualifies.
All founders of religions have been transgressive, so are they all satanic? Defiance is satanic indeed but a trait devils also have is carnal and wordily hostility to those who represents anti-carnal and anti-wordily.
And yes Jesus, existing in Roman pagan nomos daring to be extreme in his opposition of the state was 'Satanic' (oppositional/adversarial/LHP). And was so extreme and transgressive in comparison to what the Romans did he got killed for sedition. Made that stolen argument many times.
"Anti-carnal" is a Christian Nomos addition. The prechristianized 'west' liked watching criminals fight lions and having public bath orgies.
That's fucking Carnal defined. Granted they fucked for Bacchus and Dionysus, but still. What's satanic sex when orgies are normal? And that was totally conventional before Constantine. Yet the adversary (morning star) in the jeebis led him to citing Judaism to contest Roman herd behavior much like you cite the carnal in contrast to missionary behavior.
Must be an inborn defiance trigger based on the actions of herd, don't you think? What the herd thinks must be ultimately irrelevant to defiant animals being born into it. The purpose is regulatory.
And that would be because people are all a bunch of fucking parrots that need others to come up with their opinions for them.
Really? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fas1UPq6S0c
Yes, yes it does.
This is just your personal opinion. You use Satan as a tool of empowerment in your ritual chamber. Others might want to use it to go against the status quo. If they do it as a method of self-liberation and self-deification, then there is nothing unsatanic about it. You think your vision of Satanism is the only accurate one but so far you've given no arguments to support your claims. This is why your attitude is fanatical.
If you are your own god then politics does not matter to you or is a least not above you. And yes Satan is a holy figure to me because he is my ego externalized and I'm my own god meaning that I worship myself.
With other words. Satanism is a useless term.
Well, you said it's the character of the adversary, is that Yahweh's adversary specifically? Or as an "archetype" does it only need to apply to any heterodox form a rebel would take.
Whats is the cultural difference between a rebel in Bahrain and a rebel in England?
Like application of LHP it is determined by governing social behavior.
By estimation there could no 'Satanists' in India because it needs to specifically incorporate Satan. Would they need to use Shiva as their symbol, Kali? But they're polytheist, how would that work?
Yet the existence of Vamachara is present. In fact it's their term. So obviously the impulse must precede the connection to any one mythological figure.
It just so happens in the West Satan is more applicable than Shiva.
This is just your personal opinion. You use Satan as a tool of empowerment in your ritual chamber. Others might want to use it to go against the status quo. If they do it as a method of self-liberation and self-deification, then there is nothing unsatanic about it. You think your vision of Satanism is the only accurate one but so far you've given no arguments to support your claims. This is why your attitude is fanatical.
If you are your own god then politics does not matter to you or is a least not above you. And yes Satan is a holy figure to me because he is my ego externalized and I'm my own god meaning that I worship myself.
How the fuck can Satan personify your ego without the politics of day to day interactions to provoke the devil? What is the opposer opposing?
Otherwise it's just some character like Jesus to live in the image of. At most it is used to justify acting like a megalomaniac punk to serve your selfishness like the christians use Jesus and sanctity. Nothing special. But even that sculpts your actions and opinions everywhere you have actions and opinions.
This is the important part:
If it has no sociopolitical application then it's not in relation to status quo, and not LHP. It's "RHP Satanism".
The act of opposing the status quo is default political. Even if you see it all as a Fugazi of imagined freedom and systematic authoritative control, your view is still an opinion in reference to the sociopolitical. Even opposition to the need for political opinion is a political opinion.
There is NO WAY in removing one from the other.
How the fuck can Satan personify your ego without the politics of day to day interactions to provoke the devil?
It only provokes me if the politics have to do with attack on my being such as my freedom of speech, my sexuality, my gender, my private ownership. I can perform political activism but I keep my religion out of this because politics and religion should be separated as religion divides people. Satanism is no different. I got banned from a MGTOW group because the admin found out that I was a Satanist (he was a Christian).
How the fuck can Satan personify your ego without the politics of day to day interactions to provoke the devil?
It only provokes me if the politics have to do with attack on my being such as my freedom of speech, my sexuality, my gender, my private ownership. I can perform political activism but I keep my religion out of this because politics and religions should be separated as religion divides people. Satanism is no different.
Ummmm...
So your; freedom of speech, sexuality, gender, and private ownership being attacked are not matters of politics? Since when? Maybe that resistance is your Satanism?
So TST isn't deferring to freedom of speech, sexuality, and private ownership? I could've sworn abortion bans were the state telling you you have no right to own your body?
The only differernce is you "keep people in check" (by trying to explain Satanism) alone on a forum and they do that in a group. You correct people on application of Satanism. They correct people on the application of the constitution.
They are just far more transgressive towards what they are opposing. Your decompression chamber does nothing.
So your; freedom of speech, my sexuality, my gender, my private ownership are not matters of politics? Since when?
So TST isn't deferring to freedom of speech, sexuality, and private ownership. I could've sworn abortion bans were the state telling you you have no right to owen your body?
TST do not defies. They promotes. Their goal is a Woke society.
I feel threaten by them because it's those kind of people that will take away my freedom of speech through political correctness. It's those kind of people that will have me in jail for rejecting transwomen (according to radical leftwing it's "transfobic"). It's those kind of people who are feminists meaning they hate men and wants to enslave them. They would also forbid Satanism because the nude woman on the altar during satanic new year ceremony would be deemed "misogynist".
It's because their transgression have no consequences. The gynocentric misandrist society protects their ass. I cannot be that transgressive because I'm a heterosexual white male...They are just far more transgressive towards what they are opposing
. Your decompression chamber does nothing.
What expectation do you have it should do?
Satanic Temple Tenet #4So your; freedom of speech, my sexuality, my gender, my private ownership are not matters of politics? Since when?
So TST isn't deferring to freedom of speech, sexuality, and private ownership. I could've sworn abortion bans were the state telling you you have no right to owen your body?
TST do not defies. They promotes. Their goal is a Woke society.I feel threaten by them because it's those kind of people that will take away my freedom of speech through political correctness. It's those kind of people that will have me in jail for rejecting tranwomen (according to radical leftwing it's "transfobic"). It's those kind of people who are feminists meaning they hate men and wants to enslave them. They would also forbid Satanism because the nude woman on the altar during satanic new year ceremony would be deemed "misogynist".
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
That doesn't read like social justice, that reads like the guidelines of The Family Guy cut away writers room. Seems like they support your right to parrot White-supremacist chauvinistic opinions so long it is put alongside BLM as a contemporary view.
You are a victim of memes. This is copy/paste WASP sentiment. You might as well have pulled this from JoeBidenIsACommunist.com. The fear arises from change that threatens people's comfort zones.
Satanic Temple formed to contest a Christian nepotism in reference to the US Constitution, all of it. Note, they didn't say "We want you to take the monument down" they said "we want you to put ours beside it". They weren't trying to replace anything but moral and theologocal provenance.
Is it nomian to defend a paper acknowledged to be written by people?
Not if you consider the red words it replaced.
It's because their transgression have no consequences.
I'll give you that one. It's a necessity if you are referring to the constitution to maintain integrity.
They incite religious fear, which breeds the illuminati conspiracy which elects politicians, if that counts as a consequence. You think Trump would have been our president without annoying homosexual pride? You're kidding yourself if you answer yes.
And in certain bible belt areas (of my country) identifying with Satanism has major consequences. Guilt by retarded association. They are identiifying in public, and in a far more consequential situation than you'd find in the Nordic Hinterlands. All the legal equality protections in the world can't stop the technicality from getting you fired. Like anyone has to be honest why they fire you. You were late twice.
And the person who is afraid to indentify as his version of Satanism out of fear of reprisal doesn't get to make that criticism of TST.
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
But they also say One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason
It's especially that part I find anti-satanic because not only it's a cause above the self but very close to Christianity. It's about the greater good.
I only have compassion towards those who deserves it.
Now freedom to offend is something they say because they feel they are suppressed but in truth the western society today protects their ass. They attracts people such as feminists, LGBTQ activists, body positivists and communists. These people will suppress my freedom of speech and it's also those kind of bitches who banned me on facebook groups because they got butthurt. They do not act as they claim to do. They are hypocrites.
