Blasphemy | Forum

Wolfie
Wolfie May 28
How important is blasphemy to your practice or to your life in general?


Lately antitheism has been on my mind. The Four Horsemen (Dawkins, Harris, Hitchen, and Dennett) are more than just atheists. They're antitheists. They feel the need to go on the attack.


I think anyone in Western society who made antitheism into a religion would choose Satan as the core symbol. And there is certainly a "religion to end all religions" thread in the weaving of what we know as Satanism. I know that for myself, the only religious impulse in my Satanic practice is antitheism. The only rituals I ever do are to blaspheme. I don't seem to need any other catharsis. 


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Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle May 28
Anti-theism is not satanic. What is truly satanic is to be your own god and that behavior itself is blasphemy. No one forces a Satanist to do rituals. In my experience it just comes naturally if the Satanist are in situations where he knows that it will lead him to trouble such as vengeance against people who have done evil to him for instance. While ritual is a tool to obtain the ceremony is a tool to maintain which also something I think comes naturally. If the Satanist have friends or allies who are Satanists it make sense to do ceremony with other Satanists to maintain their tribe and the holidays are the dates they meat. The satanic religion is therefore based on pragmatism.
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Wolfie
Wolfie May 28
Tom, some Satanists are antitheists and some are not. I notice you have a "no true Satanist" reflex. That would be more appropriate on a board that was made for one particular brand of Satanism. This one here is more eclectic. Even people who are just "Satan adjacent" have staked out territory here.


As for me, every time I try to articulate a Satanism that is "pro-" something, I end up only partially satisfied. Your "be your own god" motto is an example of being "pro-" something. I'm always more satisfied with the results when I articulate a Satanism that is "anti-" something. An example would be the anti-herd mentality. Another is antitheism. Obviously the two fit together nicely. They feed into each other. They're symbiotic. The most disgusting thing the American herd does is Christianity.


  

Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle May 28
Quote from Wolfie Tom, some Satanists are antitheists and some are not. I notice you have a "no true Satanist" reflex. That would be more appropriate on a board that was made for one particular brand of Satanism. This one here is more eclectic. Even people who are just "Satan adjacent" have staked out territory here.

First of all, Satanism can't be slit into branches because it's not a faith like the other religions. Satan means the accuser yes and if you are your own god you will naturally begin to accuse what threatens your life, gender and existence. As a Satanist I don't give 2 shit about Christianity because Christianity have no power anymore. Feminism is what threatens my existence (as I'm a man) because they have actual political power. However, I don't need Satanism to fight against feminism. I have MGTOW and other groups I can ally myself with. In fact using religion or religious figures in such cause have only created internal conflicts which destroys the cooperation. Satanism is a religion and religion belongs to the private.
Wolfie
Wolfie May 28
Tom, how does feminism threaten your existence? You're actually the first Satanist I've met who felt threatened by feminism. Which goes to show, we're an eclectic group.


I suppose I should clarify, I don't feel threatened by Christianity. I just find it disgusting. Its existence nauseates me. It's like a smelly cheese. Harmless but revolting enough that I want it out of my kitchen.




Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle May 28
Quote from Wolfie Tom, how does feminism threaten your existence? You're actually the first Satanist I've met who felt threatened by feminism. Which goes to show, we're an eclectic group.


I suppose I should clarify, I don't feel threatened by Christianity. I just find it disgusting. Its existence nauseates me. It's like a smelly cheese. Harmless but revolting enough that I want it out of my kitchen.


To me it seems that Christianity still controls you. What disgusts us is often things we care about. Feminism threatens my existence simply because I'm a man. If you haven noticed yet then there is a war against men here in the Western world where natural masculinity is demonized, men are abused and assaulted by women or their wives (and they gets away with it because we live in BelieveWomen society), girlfriends cheats on them because they chases the 10% men women really are attracted to, women falsely accuse men for rape to get attention and political power. 


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Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle May 28
Quote from Wolfie

And of course we are an eclectic 
group. The only thing Satanists shares is the trait of being their own gods which in many ways means they have nothing in common...
Wolfie
Wolfie May 28
Tom, I don't like the idea that what we care about controls us. Too Buddhist for me. I don't subscribe to the ideal of equanimity. I align more with the first two stanzas of the Sith Code: "Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength."


Your comments about feminism make me glad I don't date. I outgrew the whole dating and mating thing.  A little porn now and then is all I need.


Anna
Anna May 28

Quote from Tom Riddle Anti-theism is not satanic. 

And why the hell not? The opposition to God and everything Godly is the main attribute of Satan. Didn't you say before that being a Satanist means embodying the qualities of Satan?


If Wolfie is controlled by Christianity, then by the same logic you're controlled by feminism. It all falls under the control by the opposition.


Your fallacious reasoning is really amusing. Carry on, broken record. It's entertaining.

Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle May 28
Quote from Anna The opposition to God and everything Godly is the main attribute of Satan. 

No it's the rejection of gods above the self. Being your own god is the attribute of Satan.


Anna
Anna May 28

Quote from Tom RiddleMy point is that satire or arguing with those you despise feeds them. 

If that is the case, then you can feed the entire userbase here. You spend your time here on endless arguments. 20 pages of arguing and it was just one thread. Not to mention others.


You can't let the shit slide. You can't let anything slide.


And yet you have a nerve to sit under a tree and pretend to be a farting Buddha.


Unless your behavior matches your claims, you're as convincing as a whore pretending to be a virgin. Poke her and you'll learn the truth.


By the way, antitheism is one of the expressions of autodeification. 

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MatthewJ1
MatthewJ1 May 28

Cool thread. Satanism is an occult philosophy, in my view. The epistemological modus operandi is gnosis, and the conclusions reached speak of a deeper level of reality, nature and life. If a term like alterity holds any value, then surely it is here – Satan is the Other and Satanism is Other.    

 

I have noticed - over the years - that many Satanists frame their beliefs in terms of I-theism or individualism or more broadly the human psychological subject, or they discuss the character and composition of society in terms of herds or stratification and hierarchy and elitism, or they start out from magical practice, or from transgression, etc.

 

All of those beliefs are valuable, but in my view one needs to ground those beliefs in some larger ontological context. I think a person needs to gain a deep insight into the signifier Satan and form a fundamental view of Being or rather Becoming as a result. A sincere consideration of Satanic aesthetics can give a person that access and understanding as well.

 

I certainly don’t regard myself as an anti-theist; however I don’t necessarily consider myself a theist either. I certainly don’t regard magic as mere catharsis or psychodrama – it is the means of uncovering and perceiving an occult reality; it also the means to plug into a current, like plugging a kettle into a wall socket and switching it on.     

Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle May 28
Quote from Anna 

By the way, antitheism is one of the expressions of autodeification. 


Not all, communists are often anti-theists and they have an ideal above themselves. In fact they are sheep.  Yes I have a need to express my feelings through freedom of speech and that's how it is.
Aborior Translatione

Quote from Wolfie


I think anyone in Western society who made antitheism into a religion would choose Satan as the core symbol. And there is certainly a "religion to end all religions" thread in the weaving of what we know as Satanism. I know that for myself, the only religious impulse in my Satanic practice is antitheism. The only rituals I ever do are to blaspheme. I don't seem to need any other catharsis. 

Only because they think Theravada Buddhists are all "spiritually finding god though meditation".   


My favorite thing of late is to line up the "The Three Universal Truths" with the commonalities of antitheism and Satanism.


Annica - Impermanence. Right there is a religious precept that everything dies. No eternal soul to be reincarnated accordingly. A position that contests the "spirit" of eternal divinity. 


Dukkha - Suffering. The position of "Life is sufferring" directly contests fluffy premises of the "symptom of the universe".  A love that graces inhabitants with continuous adversity by darwinian design. 


Anatta - No Self.  THE ABSOLUTE MOST ANTITHEIST OF THEM ALL. Life is only what you can experience with the senses. The nature of our "being" as phenomenal. 


While Buddhism does have a "cosmic order", it's actually more in line with the "life force" brought up in another thread, as an illusion within the natural environment that gives an appearance of order because we observe it. (If I interpreted that correctly).


If I did I feel it lines up with antitheism, especially applying the ideas in the Christian West. 


I'm also comfortable posting this SAT analogy on the topic: 


1. Satanism: Judeo-Christianity 


     C.  Buddhism: Hinduism 


Bottom Line : In Western attainment the thing the binds all religious RHP premises is faith. The very definition of abstraction as ideas instead of what can be directly experienced. To be spiritually fulfilled through fanciful thoughts with only faith and confirmation bias in support. 


It's as natural for the religious impulse to be antitheism as for the patriotic impulse to be anarchism. 


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Anna
Anna May 28

Quote from Tom Riddle
Quote from Anna 

By the way, antitheism is one of the expressions of autodeification. 


Not all, communists are often anti-theists and they have an ideal above themselves. In fact they are sheep.  Yes I have a need to express my feelings through freedom of speech and that's how it is.

Those who use ideology to hold power or realize their interests are not sheep. Communism was more about the subversion and creating the new ruling elites than following ideology.


I have nothing against free expression but you, dude, you're full of shit. You say one thing, you do another. If you let yourself be dragged into never-ending debates and virtual melodramas, then don't pontificate about the virtue of indifference.

Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle May 28
Quote from Anna 

I have nothing against free expression but you, dude, you're full of shit. You say one thing, you do another.


I do what I want and I don't give 2 shit about your approval or disproval.

Cornelius Coburn
She's really good at this, she's like a female version of the Canis Machina.
Wolfie
Wolfie May 28
MattewJ1, my ontological context is in flux right now. It was already in flux before I came here, and the process has accelerated, as I expected it would, thanks to the give and take of discussion.


There's a thread that runs through indulgence, Id, animal instincts, anti-conformity, antitheism, passion, catharsis, blasphemy, and maturation. All of these things are the life force. A key insight I needed was this: the organism doesn't emerge out of the life force. Rather, the life force emerges out of the organism. Tonight as I type this, my favorite word is passion. Through passion my life becomes force. Force can either build or destroy, the right and left hands of Becoming. The passion of hate becomes blasphemy, which becomes the force of destruction, which becomes the entropy of God.


Anna
Anna May 28

Quote from Tom Riddle
Quote from Anna 

I have nothing against free expression but you, dude, you're full of shit. You say one thing, you do another.


I do what I want and I don't give 2 shit about your approval or disproval.


Of course. And the 45 pages of an argument (I counted only the recent discussions) are a testament to how much you don't care. Count all your replies (I'm too lazy for that) and you will receive the actual number of shitz you give.

Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle May 28
Quote from Anna 

If that is the case, then you can feed the entire userbase here. You spend your time here on endless arguments. 20 pages of arguing and it was just one thread. Not to mention others.


Indeed I do. How much do you think this forum would be active without me?
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