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Hoodlum88 Aug 8 '21

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What's the fun in that? You're not coming off particularly devilish. That sounds like fear of superstition and authority. Curses backfiring? Mindful adherance to legal code? Satan forbid you should chance your arm a bit.

If you shot with a gun it can also backfire if you hit something that deflect the projectile. Is that superstition? An other backfire some ritualistic Satanists have experienced is guilt if the curse ended up killing the person which was not the intention. That part is very rooted in psychology.

Your psychology perhaps.

As it turns out you are a superstitious person. Could have said that initially and removed the run about. Why are you hesitant of admitting you're superstitiously inclined? It seems you go to unnecessary lengths to artfully avoid it. It's not like you're the only one that is.

The comparitive analogy is baffling nonetheless. It is certainly not a temporarily held superstition. Magic as real as a gun mishap? So revered it equally prompts guilt? I find it humourous how everything you say seems to contradict every other thing you say. Sure you don't fancy the abrahamic religions?

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Wolfie Aug 8 '21

Anna, so far I haven't had a situation where I perceived someone as an enemy and wasn't able to do anything about it. This doesn't usually mean that I walk up to the person and punch him in the face. I use the environment to my advantage, and only go as far as I need to, to eliminate the threat. Also sometimes I can turn the relationship around. Turning an enemy into a friend is often the safest and most satisfying course of action.

But hypothetically: If I really saw no practical way to eliminate the threat to me, I would either find a way to build a fortress around myself, or exit the entire situation.

Notice that I'm talking about threats, not hurt feelings. I'm not twelve. Hurting my feelings doesn't make you my enemy.

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Tom Riddle Aug 8 '21

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Your psychology perhaps.

No, human psychology.

Quote from Hoodlum88
As it turns out you are a superstitious person. Could have said that initially and removed the run about. Why are you hesitant of admitting you're superstitiously inclined? It seems you go to unnecessary lengths to artfully avoid it. It's not like you're the only one that is.

My problem is that it's always the "what if" mentally I cannot get rid off. When you go into ritual then you go into a realm of unknown. I acknowledge that there can be forces in this world we don't know about and that's not superstition. That's intellectual honesty. You however seems highly convinced that there is only this world what we can see and hear etc.

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I find it humourous how everything you say seems to contradict every other thing you say.

And I find it sad that so many in this satanic forum don't understand what satanic ritual is... In fact it seems the majority at the moment are not Satanists at all...

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Wolfie Aug 8 '21

Anna, as far as punching a pillow is concerned, I think that can sometimes be an effective technique for self-therapy. If someone's only real problem is a problematic build-up of extreme resentment or frustration, then burning all that off by throwing a private tantrum can be just the right prescription. And if the tantrum is accompanied by yelling "Hail Satan," there's no harm in that, and it could do some actual good. I wish Tom could admit that what he does is a private tantrum and nothing else, but of course he won't. He wants to hold out hope that the universe will bend to his will because his emotions are so strong and his intellect was turned off.

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Anna Aug 8 '21

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As it turns out you are a superstitious person. Could have said that initially and removed the run about. Why are you hesitant of admitting you're superstitiously inclined? It seems you go to unnecessary lengths to artfully avoid it. It's not like you're the only one that is.

My problem is that it's always the "what if" mentally I cannot get rid off. When you go into ritual then you go into a realm of unknown. I acknowledge that there can be forces in this world we don't know about and that's not superstition. That's intellectual honesty. You however seems highly convinced that there is only this world what we can see and hear etc.

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I find it humourous how everything you say seems to contradict every other thing you say.

And I find it sad that so many in this satanic forum don't understand what satanic ritual is... In fact it seems the majority at the moment are not Satanists at all...

Well... You said that the intellectual decompression is the temporary suspension of disbelief. After the ritual you come back to being a sceptic. Now you say that you are afraid the magic will backfire. If your suspension of disbelief was only temporary, you wouldn't worry about the consequences of the ritual before or after the ritual because you would be then in your default sceptic state. Your statement points to your belief in magic as something permanent, not temporary. Hence the contradiction. It's funny you can't see it.

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Tom Riddle Aug 8 '21

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How does that differ from punching a pillow a few times?

Not so much. It's a good analogy.

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Since you have never conducted a destruction ritual proper, then how do you know that they work? Or that the intellectual decompression works?

Magical rituals have been used for thousands of years and clearly it works on people all through it was done for reason that did not matched reality. I have been able to decompress my intellect alone in the ritual chamber.

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Tom Riddle Aug 8 '21

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Well... You said that the intellectual decompression is the temporary suspension of disbelief. After the ritual you come back to being a sceptic. Now you say that you are afraid the magic will backfire. If your suspension of disbelief was only temporary, you wouldn't worry about the consequences of the ritual before or after the ritual because you would be then in your default sceptic state. Your statement points to your belief in magic as something permanent, not temporary. Hence the contradiction. It's funny you can't see it.

I do believe that Greater Magic can produce real magical results. So do some members of CoS...

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Anna Aug 8 '21

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I do believe that Greater Magic can produce real magical results. So do some members of CoS...

So it's not temporary but permanent. What was all that talk about intellectual decompression for if you're a believer?

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Tom Riddle Aug 8 '21

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So it's not temporary but permanent. What was all that talk about intellectual decompression for if you're a believer?

Because I'm still a doubter. I don't know what's going on in the ritual chamber. It's the realm of the unknown.

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Anna Aug 8 '21

No you've just admitted your belief in magic.

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Hoodlum88 Aug 8 '21

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Your psychology perhaps.

No, human psychology.

Quote from Hoodlum88
As it turns out you are a superstitious person. Could have said that initially and removed the run about. Why are you hesitant of admitting you're superstitiously inclined? It seems you go to unnecessary lengths to artfully avoid it. It's not like you're the only one that is.

My problem is that it's always the "what if" mentally I cannot get rid off. When you go into ritual then you go into a realm of unknown. I acknowledge that there can be forces in this world we don't know about and that's not superstition. That's intellectual honesty. You however seems highly convinced that there is only this world what we can see and hear etc.

Quote from Hoodlum88
I find it humourous how everything you say seems to contradict every other thing you say.

And I find it sad that so many in this satanic forum don't understand what satanic ritual is... In fact it seems the majority at the moment are not Satanists at all...

That wasn't an argument. It was a statement of fact based on words previously submitted by yourself. You have provided an answer to the best of your abilities. You do not need to define intellectual honesty, the psychological needs of all people, nor do you need to frame what that is in a context beneficial to yourself. I am not terribly interested in acknowledging your defense mechanisms. Lose the plot on your own. My interaction with you has reached the limit of its use.

Have a nice day. :)

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Tom Riddle Aug 8 '21

Quote from Anna No you've just admitted your belief in magic.

And what is magic?

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Nutzack Mendez Esquire Aug 8 '21

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Quote from Anna No you've just admitted your belief in magic.

And what is magic?

The exact opposite of you. Not saying you lack adeptness or anything.

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Tom Riddle Aug 8 '21

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The exact opposite of you. Not saying you lack adeptness or anything.

I was not asking you.

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Nutzack Mendez Esquire Aug 8 '21

Dude, you can't even control this fucking thread. I shutter at the might of your magical prowess. What's the point of waxing on the practice of magic if you can't employ it where it's most valuable? LaVey even wrote an entire book on it.

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Tom Riddle Aug 8 '21

Quote from Nutzack Mendez Esquire Dude, you can't even control this fucking thread. I shutter at the might of your magical prowess. What's the point of waxing on the practice of magic if you can't employ it where it's most valuable? LaVey even wrote an entire book on it.

Where do you guys come from?

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Nutzack Mendez Esquire Aug 8 '21

Quote from Tom Riddle
Quote from Nutzack Mendez Esquire Dude, you can't even control this fucking thread. I shutter at the might of your magical prowess. What's the point of waxing on the practice of magic if you can't employ it where it's most valuable? LaVey even wrote an entire book on it.

Where do you guys come from?

My mother and the authorities are still trying to figure that out.

I come from The 90's.

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Cornelius Coburn Aug 8 '21

It doesn't matter, and I wouldn't worry about persistence too much beyond your immediate scope because everything's always changin' anyway.

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Wolfie Aug 9 '21

All is right with the world. Anna and the Canis Collective are peppering Tom with his own words. The chance to witness this is one of the main reasons I come here.

Tom, all you have to do is admit that what you're doing is self-therapy via the technique of emotional cleansing through private tantrums. I've used this technique myself. It works. And when I needed it, I really needed it. It helped me transition to a new, darker self, unburdened by mercy.

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Tom Riddle Aug 9 '21

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Tom, all you have to do is admit that what you're doing is self-therapy via the technique of emotional cleansing through private tantrums.

It's more than just self-therapy. The destruction ritual serves 3 purposes.

1. Getting the rage out of the system by torturing the object etc represents the foe. Anna made a good analogy with punching a pillow.

2. The symbolic sacrifice of the foe to the Powers of Darkness.

3. The elimination of the foe from the consciousness and subconsciousness.

When it comes to nr 2 the fate of the foe in the outside world will always be in the hands of the Powers of Darkness as there is no more the Satanist can do there but it will not really be his concern as the foe is a least gone from the consciousness and subconsciousness.

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