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Yes, why not? Let's discuss that.

Please elaborate on what you think a male altar should be, and what that means to women.

I find "the nature of the beast" excuse to be a poor one. Yes, there is no doubt that embracing the carnality in oneself is a prime virtue.

However, also consider the following:

a) Stupidity is a sin. #1 sin of all in fact. It is defined as the lack of intelligence, understanding, reason, wit or sense. Among these, I see that the lack of intelligence and understanding to be particularly relevant to the topic at hand.

Speaking through your hormones, as you say, implies a lack of intelligence. As Satanists, we embrace our carnality, but never at the cost of ourselves. Yes, if you speak from your hormones all the time, you may get off from it from time to time. However, also consider the damage to your own reputation, which is a long term repercussion. An orgasm lasts 30 seconds. A ruined reputation as a literal dick lasts for years.

And then putting women on a pedestal implies a lack of understanding. As you say, it is off-putting. Failing to understand this is stupidity.

b) We Satanists pride ourselves as champions of individuality and personal sovereignty. Being a creep to a woman is a violation of the woman's personal sovereignty. There's a damn good reason why Satanists despise rapists and child molesters. All of them violate individual sovereignty on some level.

Just because we're Satanists, we don't necessarily have to be dicks about it. Defend your own sovereignty, and be an individual. None of these things require you to approach women as you would approach a masturbatory aid. In fact, I'd argue that if you do so, you simply have not devoted enough time to THINKING about your Satanic life.

We're adherents to the Left Hand Path. We're allowed to think about things. So why not use it? Instead of hiding behind Satanism as an excuse for your own stupidity and lack of understanding.

Wat. Did I miss something?

Quote from luz FYI: for a modern feminist (i.e. me), the very idea that there is a divide between male and female population is sexist. I tend to believe that if there is a 'divide' it is not due to some inherent differences of the genders but to social and cultural programming that is instilled after birth.

@Anna, Even though there are genetic base differences between basic males and females I see their application outcomes based on environment and attitude.

Yes males were generally stronger but who meets force with force as a tactic? Also with the aggression idea I would say it depends on the type of aggression. I often joke that guys are more expedient based aggressive (as in direct and basic force), yet females females are often more covert. The thing is that times change and the lines are being blurred as guys start to scratch and pull hair and girls punch and kick to the groin.

I don't generally back feminist or any base movements but individuals are another topic. I really don't care if a person is female, male or their race and so forth when it comes to a particular task. What I do care about is can they do said task and how well.

Yes biology influences a person's life but only if they use the same tactics as everyone else.

Luz:  

I'm just sick of hearing people bitch about how the hand they were dealt in life is so unfair, they're mistreated by society, blah blah.  Feminism falls right in line with that.  We're all victims of some form of oppression, even people like me, the evil cis-gender, skinny, white male, are oppressed by the far-left.  Should I be joining some extremist far-right movement?  Would that be helpful to humanity in general?

So to correct your guesses:

1. Your life is perfect and no-one oppresses you

No, it isn't.  

Yes, I am, but I don't make it the center of my life or cry "sexist, racist, etc.-ist" when it happens.  

I find rational and practical ways to correct it, without demanding the world bend to my demands.

2. You're so much better than everyone else (being a Satanist and all) that when positioned in an oppressive situation, you buckle up and take it as a champ

Smarter than most, I'd like to think.  Better?  I don't know we'd be able to measure something like that.  I'll just say no.

Buckle? No, refer to 1.

I have no reason to take issue with those who wish to better their own situation.  I do take issue when their solutions involve special treatment from everyone else in the world.   

Nith:  

Catchphrases?  Cards on the table?  

I feel I've been fairly clear and up front about my position on things without parroting other people's arguments.  I will admit, I've been rather short in this thread, my posts were done while at work.  As far as my presence on this site in general, thus far, my cards have always been placed firmly on the table.  Perhaps you've forgotten me, Nith, but I'm no stranger to these forums.  

What makes "Social Justice Warrior" any more of a catchphrase than "Feminist," by the way?  It's primary usage in speech vs text?

Something else is unclear to me, are you saying that by the very nature of putting a title to an idea, it becomes rhetoric?

Nice one, name dropping your buddy, Dimitri.  I find him very intelligent as well, though I don't understand your basis for comparison of us.

Jasin, Yes you were kind of short worded in this thread. More than a couple of threads have short rhetoric based posts (the last three of your posts I have seen).

As for my meaning on the word rhetoric I am using one of the dictionary applications; Persuasive impressive intent yet open to interpretation (also often lacking in meaningful content). Maybe if you went into detail about the victim mentality but I guess you couldn't really as the “take your whining elsewhere” is a conversation ender.

The meaning of a catch phrase is normally a well known or common use short line that becomes a be all and end all of a statement or description. Now if you wrote the same thing yet followed it up with more detail it would be the description that goes with the statement.

My basis for picking luz, Dimitri was not name dropping but I just picked two people who posted around that time.

This is an interesting one.

In LaVey’s Satanism there is a desire to return to so called traditional gender roles as traditional gender roles somehow reflect how males and females relate to each other in a state of nature.

LaVey has gone on record, stating that he is a misogynist. He certainly disliked the feminist movement, and the so called de-masculinisation of the male of the 1960’s and 1970’s. He liked soft compliant blondes, they were a natural complement to his dominant masculine 12o’clock (fire) type.

I do think LaVey’s has had a great deal of influence on how male/females are regarded in contemporary Satanism.   

If you have read ‘The Compleat Witch’ aka ‘The Satanic Witch’ by LaVey you will note that his book is based on the idea that a woman should focus her efforts on using men to get what she wants, since it is the men who are in positions of power.

And so, according to this, a woman should be primarily concerned about her appearance, about where she is on the synthesiser clock and who her opposite is on the clock, about determining what fetish fuels her target and tailoring her approach to the satisfaction or the highlighting of that fetish.

Everything the witch does is done in order to please a man, in order to control that man, in order to get what she wants. The male is the prime focus and the woman works around that and becomes more or less a non-individual who just deceives. The woman is cast at the very outset as a deceiver.

What I would like to see is ‘The Satanic Witch’ re-written from the ground up by a satanic witch. What would a new book like this look like? I don’t know, but whoever pulled it off would have created an entirely new form of Satanism I think. 

Quote from Nith I don't generally back feminist or any base movements but individuals are another topic. I really don't care if a person is female, male or their race and so forth when it comes to a particular task. What I do care about is can they do said task and how well.

Quote from luz I am not sure what you envision that the day-to-day duties of a CEO are: moving boulders and shredding the skin of business partners maybe?

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And if you're replying to my comments for the trill of an online drama: Wow! You totally win - I'm speechless of your opinion. I am looking for forward to being wowed in future discussions.

xD

luz:  

I would love to hear your views on who the oppressors are for the "privileged" among us.  The far-left appear to be the obvious answer, as everyone shouting of privilege come from one extreme left organization or another.  Such organizations are also experts at victim mentality rhetoric.  Perhaps it is a loaded question, but it also appears as you may be trying to dodge mine.  Would me joining a far-right organization be the proper course of action, as per your example?  I'm thinking you'd answer "no" as it is completely counter to your personal agenda.  I'd expect something of a classic "we're not the bad guys" argument, though at this point I can't make any assumptions without further clarification from you. 

 As far as the O9A go, wasn't that a made-up, imaginary organization?  I've read some of their/his literature, and do agree with some, but certainly not all, or even most of what they/he has to say.  It does sound like a repackaging theism with pseudo-scientific babble, and replacement of philosophy with a political manifesto.  My disagreements with O9A are a long list, perhaps some other time, but that's my basic gist.  I do wonder, however, if your assumption about my political view is Satanism's new way of screaming "Nazi!" at those with a differing stance.  

Quote from luz i just picked on O9A because when I first became active on a Satanic online forum, I was supper excited about telling people about me and I shared a link to my YouTube channel (some music on it only). So some O9A troll started leaving disturbing comments there (think as in - we're coming to ill you). I'm pretty upset that I had to lock my YouTube comments because of that dude. So - however iamginary the otganization is, I feel pretty annoyed by its imaginary members. (So I picked on O9A for personal reasons and not for some imaginary Nazi agenda that they may have).