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nith
nith Nov 14 '14

Human nature in general seems to tend to always wanting more. Longer maternity leave, larger pay, less work to do vs everyone else. There are places that actually have rules and laws that females can not lift items over a certain amount. The funny thing about this is when the female gets to avoid jobs they don't want to strain themselves with. When I see the skinny little guy straining under a load while the monster of a woman has what most consider to be light duties then I see that as bull shit.


I do notice that the wording “equal rights” is used less so at least they don't sound like a liar. Many I hear call for more female rights but if we were to step back it might be noticed the booklet on their rights is now twice as thick as the normal worker version. This is not me having a go at females having more rights but more so pointing out the focus is now on them to do something and not wait for others to do it for them.


I have no issue opening the stereotypical doors and jam jars for people but if they start to demand it, well that changes everything. I have worked in many places where females twist the aim of the rules to get special treatment. I have no issue with them twisting rules as stated before it seems human nature to try and get more for less but if it is at the cost of me and mine I will judge them accordingly.


I do notice many people expect to be handed rights more than earn them. If a person has done nothing to get or protect their own rights are they still rights or just allowances of protection?


So in closing I ask again why is stating the title more important then the actions? So feminists and satanists seem to have many cross overs with the title use don't they?

Anna
Anna Nov 14 '14

Quote from Dimitri "Don't get kids if you can't afford it" (domesticate a cat instead).


I totally agree but this is not my point. I'm not talking about irresponsible people who keep breeding like rabbits. I'm talking about a standard family who can afford having a child but to do that they both have to work. It is very rare to meet a family where only one parent works. In order to do that the income of the parent would have to be quite high and one average salary is not enough to keep up the whole family. My point is that it is not the lack of money these people suffer from but inability to spend more time with their own children. Sure, these children are not without care, because they are either taken care of by their grandparents, nannies or school but still they have too little contact with their parents. And this undermines family bonds.
JasinElric
JasinElric Nov 15 '14
If we assume that the population of male and female are 50/50%, wouldn't it stand to reason that now 50% of the jobs out there have been filled by people who weren't always working, making there less work in general?  Wouldn't it also stand to reason that because of the scarcity of work, employers are able to pay employees less than they did before?


Not pointing any fingers, just something to think about.  It's unfortunate this topic turned into another feminism thread when it could have been about Satanism and Women.


Not all Satanic women are feminists, not all feminists are Satanic.  Some women reject the power of sexual appeal they possess over men, others embrace and use it.  There are no rules.

Quote from luz
Quote from jonnywatts As we all know, the Satanism community has always been male dominated.


It's lovely being reminded that anything worthy has been male dominated... Rock on.
luz, you took this out of context.

The Forum post is edited by JasinElric Nov 15 '14
johnnywatts Chapter Head
johnnywatts Nov 15 '14

Quote from JasinElric If we assume that the population of male and female are 50/50%, wouldn't it stand to reason that now 50% of the jobs out there have been filled by people who weren't always working, making there less work in general?  Wouldn't it also stand to reason that because of the scarcity of work, employers are able to pay employees less than they did before?


Not pointing any fingers, just something to think about. It's unfortunate this topic turned into another feminism thread when it could have been about Satanism and Women.


Not all Satanic women are feminists, not all feminists are Satanic.  Some women reject the power of sexual appeal they possess over men, others embrace and use it.  There are no rules.

Quote from luz
Quote from jonnywatts As we all know, the Satanism community has always been male dominated.


It's lovely being reminded that anything worthy has been male dominated... Rock on.
luz, you took this out of context.


Precisely why I have thus far stayed out of the conversation. Can't even talk about Satanism from the perspective of women without having feminism derail the topic.


It's one thing to be a feminist. It's another to be frothing at the mouth about it that everything about women is reduced to feminism. That, IMO, completely sells women short. That's describing everything as a series of -isms, and completely ignores the subtlety and nuance of human experience.


Unfortunately, that has been the narrative here, and society at large lately.

johnnywatts Chapter Head
johnnywatts Nov 17 '14

Quote from luz It's borderline insane to ask why there are not many women in Satanism and then jump on a woman Satanist who expresses feminist views. (How do you like your women, a bit more docile?)

Let me throw a definition out here:

Post-feminism: We've done arguing about gender roles and we're living in a world where we are all well aware of what is right and wrong with respect to gender. You move on or stick to your precious worldview. Your damn choice.

('Gender' as in the range of characteristics pertaining to, and differentiating between, masculinity and femininity.)

We are even beyond the talk of male vs female. There is no gender talk if we are not including everyone on the gender spectrum.



The quote in the meme is lifted from CoS discussion on Satanic feminism:
http://www.churchofsatan.com/satanic-feminism.php


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I am free to pick any worldview and aspect that suits my needs and not be weighted down by the association that comes with it.I pick whatever is useful for me from feminism and leave the rest without feeling the need to defend it. I pick whatever is useful for me from any movement/theory without the fear that I will be pigeonholed into the group of people who subscribe to it.

I find it a flaw to reject something useful because of the perceived attachments.

I like my women able to participate in a conversation about the female *experience* in Satanism without frothing at the mouth with feminist rhetoric.


And yes, it's rhetoric.


Like I said earlier, it sells women short, and describes things as a series of -isms. If anything, frothing at the mouth with feminist rhetoric at everything is detrimental to womenkind. The story of women in Satanism isn't told, but is instead taken over by a series of -isms.


It's sad.

Anna
Anna Dec 30 '14
He was talking about feminist discourse in general, not about your specific posts.
Kenneth
Kenneth Dec 31 '14
Luz, I haven't seen many female Satanists interpret things as personal affronts as often as I've seen you do so.
Anna
Anna Jan 4 '15

Quote from luz I think of my reaction described in the above post, as having a healthy ego with a solid amount of pride.


Interpreting everything as a personal insult is not a sign of a healthy ego and pride but insecurity, fear and low self-esteem. A person with a healthy ego will not let negativity spoil his/her day.

And yeah, I actually saw many male Satanists enduring ridicule and rejection without whining: "Oh my Satan! Nobody loves me anymore!"

That doesn't mean you should just bend over and take the beating. A nice witty retort works wonders. Mind: a retort not complaint. Playing a victim card may go well together with feminism but not necessarily with Satanism, unless it's a conscious strategy, read: lesser magic trick.

And Luz, dear, you are under no obligation to reply to my posts if you are unable to discuss things without taking every counter argument as a personal slander. My posts are for the "general public" to read and comment on if they so wish not just you, specifically.
JasinElric
JasinElric Jan 5 '15

Quote from Everdinakloosconfidents
It certainly is.
Orgasmic Karmatic. Mod
Orgasmic Karmatic. Jan 8 '15

Quote from luz 2. If a guy flashes on chat he will definitely be asked not to that again. 

This definitely depends on the audience. In all my years on being on this site, I have seen mutual harassment from women to men as I have men to women. 




johnnywatts Chapter Head
johnnywatts Jan 12 '15

Quote from luz
Quote from Everdinakloos Luz I never said guys showed there dicks in tiny chat,I said I don't see them flashing dicks. But I do believe  someone flashed in tiny chat in the past.

This could easily be made into a gender issue:


1. If a girl flashes on chat she'll be applauded and asked to do that again. (Or she might have been harassed to do that beforehand.)


2. If a guy flashes on chat he will definitely be asked not to that again. 




I for one welcome any tits flashed voluntarily at me. So why would I not applaud?


On the other hand, I've also seen your husband's dick on cam. Being a heterosexual male, why would I applaud such a display?

Owner/Admin
Owner/Admin Jan 13 '15
I am not a shy person. If someone wants to see me in the nude that is fine. Now if you want me to jerk off, that with cost you 50 bucks

johnnywatts Chapter Head
johnnywatts Jan 13 '15

Quote from satanic_kitty Why is showing your tits/dick such a problem to some of you? Most people find them pretty and like seeing them. If you want to show them, do it. If you don't, don't do it. If you don't want to see them, don't look at the screen for a few seconds or close the window. We're strong people, aren't we? You won't let people force you to do something you don't want to do, will you? If you're so weak that people asking you to show your tits/dick is such a problem to you, then you can't possibly be a Satanist.

Because Women's Studies majors want the rest of us to think that showing your tits on cam is degrading to yourself, and thus, as a strong empowered woman, you should not be given the choice to show tits.


Also, because you'll also be perpetuating the patriarchy.

Anna
Anna Jan 13 '15

Quote from jonnywatts Because Women's Studies majors want the rest of us to think that showing your tits on cam is degrading to yourself, and thus, as a strong empowered woman, you should not be given the choice to show tits. Also, because you'll also be perpetuating the patriarchy.


Indeed. Also some mad feminists wanted to ban pornography in the European Union some time ago because pornography degrades women and women are seen as objects. This is how they explained why they wanted to limit other people's freedom, not only the freedom of the viewers and customers but also those women who decided to sell their bodies. It's not as if someone force the "poor women" to become porn stars. Except few criminal cases, they do it because they want to and make a lot of money on it.
johnnywatts Chapter Head
johnnywatts Jan 13 '15

Quote from AnnaCzereda
Quote from jonnywatts Because Women's Studies majors want the rest of us to think that showing your tits on cam is degrading to yourself, and thus, as a strong empowered woman, you should not be given the choice to show tits. Also, because you'll also be perpetuating the patriarchy.


Indeed. Also some mad feminists wanted to ban pornography in the European Union some time ago because pornography degrades women and women are seen as objects. This is how they explained why they wanted to limit other people's freedom, not only the freedom of the viewers and customers but also those women who decided to sell their bodies. It's not as if someone force the "poor women" to become porn stars. Except few criminal cases, they do it because they want to and make a lot of money on it.

Perhaps these people should look at history then, before the advent of internet pornography. What did people do to get their rocks off? They went to shady places overrun with crime and disease to view stag films. Nowadays, they can view it in a safe and clean environment (i.e., their homes) and don't bother anyone else.


I've always found some parts of feminist ideology laughable. In one breath, they espouse the greatness of women and how they should be empowered. In the very next breath, they tell these great empowered women what NOT to do and even attempt to legislate away their ability to do it.

johnnywatts Chapter Head
johnnywatts Jan 13 '15

Quote from satanic_kitty Why is showing your tits/dick such a problem to some of you? Most people find them pretty and like seeing them. If you want to show them, do it. If you don't, don't do it. If you don't want to see them, don't look at the screen for a few seconds or close the window. We're strong people, aren't we? You won't let people force you to do something you don't want to do, will you? If you're so weak that people asking you to show your tits/dick is such a problem to you, then you can't possibly be a Satanist.

Err sorry, double reply. But your profile picture seems..., very familiar. Also noticed you're German. Do you have an MDH page or something?

johnnywatts Chapter Head
johnnywatts Jan 17 '15

Quote from satanic_kitty What's an MDH page? I don't know you but yeah, I'm German.

Thanks, Joshua :D


Nvm. If you don't know what MDH is, then you don't have one.

johnnywatts Chapter Head
johnnywatts Jan 20 '15

Quote from satanic_kitty Now you've made me curious! :( But okay, nevermind! :D

Google "MyDirtyHobby". It's an amateur porn site, where anyone can upload sex videos.

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