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Don't gather Demons of different taste  ( what I mean is Demos who like to do different things ),  it's because that will create a chaos  within or without of your mind or body,  it's like trying to have a dog and a cat together and you don't know how to deal with that. 

After all , you'll be  mastering legions of Demons,  they will be with you not because you are in comand only,  but because your  are mutual friends also,  there are some occult organizations that work and deal with Demons,  they will help you to understand this issue better than what I could write,  my experiences and knowledge are limited like a glass of water ,  but theirs is huge like  the Pacific Ocean.  Enjoy the fellowship with your Demons. 

Some will say, the demons are psychological issues which hinder us throughout life. Some will say, they are a mystical energy which surrounds us and influences us. Some will say, they are entities that exist and are here present in the physical realm to take some form of action.

The way I view demons is that they are entities here to work in the physical realm. The focus/goals of a demon are different to each as they all have different powers and places they work. If there is anything in particular, just let me know and I'll check back through a couple of my books on demonology and pull from personal experience to give an accurate answer.

Let's go at this. 

My argument: Topics like exorcism and abstract demonology (not the Jungian kind) keeps people unenlightened. And can lead to further adherence to the chains of the mundane. Inverted white light mysticism almost every time. 

Claim: There is no evidence one could provide to substantiate demons or daemons being real in a way that can't be explained away more plausibly. Cold reading you do to yourself in analogy. 

Challenge: 

Argue and provide proof that demons;

are entities here to work in the physical realm. The focus/goals of a demon are different to each as they all have different powers and places they work.

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What keeps you retaining western mystical concepts in your view?  And how is this occulted from the mundane? 

What if what's hidden is some glaringly obvious paradox?  In that world of nothing predetermined, and connected only through independent phenomenal interaction, is there even room for influence from outside the entropic super-system?

Can you ever escape the choose your own adventure? Consider the thread itself. 

1. Don't respond -> End 

2. Respond to post -> 2A Respond favorably/2B respond negatively/2C respond ambivalently 

You have very little free choice on this antecedent trajectory. And the way it exists phenomenally, in real time, rules out anything occurring from outside the closed system superorganism that is the universe. All subjective views of the material. 

And Rational Mother Abigail says: I only exist in a culture with prophetic old negro lady archetypes. I can't rightly give you a response not lensed through western culture. I can sift through the data of your forgotten memory, but I can't move outside the parameters of your mind. I am no more connected to the divine than a muse to the Greek poet, or a rakshasa to the vaishaya merchant wanting more than their live's karma. 

The demons of the Goetia are more like cartoon demons, or demons of the fantastical(dreaming of demons). I prefer the term 'entities' over "demons" for a more realistic approach.

The existence of entities unlike the known creatures of the earth; anywhere in the universe. Vessels of varying densities or totally incorporeal that may harass us while we sleep.

You'd be more likely to get a description from IA, than an explanation.

I am here to respond to post, not to prove anything to anyone. Wanting proof is non-sensical, because proof is science based which is not applicable to the metaphysical. Therefore, scientific standards don't work. 

You're basically saying,

I can say demons are entities here to work in the physical and I will only address commentary that subscribes to the same fantastical, superfluous, and fallacious point of view I have. 

That screams Christian/faithful arrogance to me. It assumes the nature of one's own ambiguous or baseless idea is an absolute. Might as well say, "La la God is real so all your points that demand proof are invalid because it can't be known by science".   And they do, almost copy/paste to your response when their metaphysical shit gets contested. 

You may have painted it black and shifted it to a pretentious altar but it's basically the same tendency of the faith-wired.  Another true believer unable to pull their head out of gnostic grimoires and christocentric viewpoints. Locked inside a myopic box of their "hidden" insight and western orthodoxies. 

To, Infernal Acumen: I appreciate your disposition to discuss this question.

Unfortunately, there really is no way around this – every set of claims about the metaphysical, implies and requires some form of epistemological position, appropriate to it. Metaphysics implies epistemology - that has been the case since Ancient Greece, but I would argue, even before then.

How do you know what you know, is the question which must be answered or else your philosophical and theological observations are groundless and easy to attack.

An esoteric or mystical metaphysics doesn’t necessarily require an epistemology born out of positivism, materialism or the episteme of the scientific revolution. There is a wealth of scholarship around this. One influential book is ‘The Varieties of Religious Experience’ by William James, which is a work Michael Aquino, relied on to assist him in explaining how his metaphysical position was grounded epistemologically. There is a lot of other scholarship though. Obviously, the ancient account of gnosis is the way forward, in my view.

You have yet another problem though, which again must be solved. You need a comprehensive ontological position. You’re going to have to explain Being. At the moment, you have all of these specters, like demons and spirits and souls occupying this “non-existent space.” There is no metaphysics. There is no explanation of Being, of the reality, within which these specters can appear. What is your reality?

Again, there is supporting scholarship, which I think is valuable. I think basically you have two choices – either, you go the way of Parmenides, who believed in the metaphysics of substantial presence or substance, or, on the other hand, you go the way of Heraclitus, who believed in becoming and an underlying logos – my Satanism lies within the latter position. I think yours may lie within the former.    

Okay, this is the kind of shit that I began to subconsciously limit or omit entirely, but the gloves are off now.

It's not my fault. It was repeatedly programmed into my brain from an early age. This 'music' that us kids would hear on the radio walking to a local beach on your typical cliché of a nice, warm, sunny day.

The fagometer nearly hits the midway point on this stuff, but there is more here than just the song itself.

The gist of the story is that some guy had learned how to make pacts with demons from EA Koetting, and went out and murdered two girls to make a demonic pact. 

The Media Mafia [a Leftist Mob of Journalists] pressured large media things to ban EA Koetting. And although the Order of Nine Angles really had nothing to do with that murder, the Media Mafia slipped a few bad things about ONA in their articles anyways. 

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RE : possessed by the demon faggot of the 70s