Are Satanists born or made? | Forum

It's definitely strengthened and solidified by life, but much like you can tell a kids gonna be a fag by 8, you can see the traits of a satan as soon as will exists. 

Primarily in response to attempted punishment, or conformity reward. 

I can use myself as an example. 

So deal with a self-centered anecdote. 

My parents never cared enough to mention religion, even at Christmas. 

In fact I didn't know it even had a nativity until I was in first grade, age 7. 

When it was discovered by another parent I thought Christmas was about Santa and caribou I was forbidden to play my friend until my horrible parents taught me about the jeebis.  So they copped out with a Christmas Nativity display at a Catholic church.  I remember my mom bitching a lot on the way there. A lot of, "who the fuck does this woman think she is turning all the parents on me", type stuff.

They caved because they thought it was unfair to me. 

Still my first exposure to Christmas was a very fun and pleasurable experience. I thought it was cool. There was a whole other part of Christmas I didn't know about. I thought the mocked up Bethlehem was so neat. Hay, robed people, lamps, and being transported to a strangely familiar old time city. 

So I got into it. I wanted to know all about the jeebis. 

They even arranged a sleepover so myself and a third friend could go to Sunday School the next day. 

I had my kids bible story book and was really enthusiastic. 

I went with my friends to the first grade. But I couldn't be in first grade yet. My friend's mother had told them I didn't know about Jesus two weeks ago and they put me in the Preschool class. Then the first thing the teacher does is tell them my parents never taught me about god and goaded them to essentially treat me like shit. 

They wouldn't give me juice and told me if I came every week and showed repentance I could join my two friends in the first grade.  It drove me insane i was treated differently then them, that I was told I had done something wrong, and absolutely hated being singled out for it. 

That's where it ended.

When i got home I absolutely destroyed every religious thing I had.  Wrote I love Satan in red marker in my bible and then ripped it to fucking pieces. I felt betrayed and vengeful.  Even at 7 the sanctimony was sickening, and the intent of their shunning failed miserably.  I never wanted to be a good Christian again. Especially with the other kids making fun of me. I wanted to hurt them back. 

That's the natural occurance of eye for an eye morality.  Nothing in me wanted to be a better Christian for their acceptance. Peer pressure pisses me off.  I was supposed to feel embarrassed and strive for favorable treatment.  Nothing could have made me angrier.

If Satanists were not born I would probably not have been attracted to Satanism in the first place as I don't like black metal...

Satanism is not a belief system.

Satanists are the alien elite.

You're a Satanist if you feel TSB took the words out of your mouth.

Satanists are atheistic misanthropes with a flair for the dramatic.

The first thing you may notice is that all of the above are from the CoS.

Here are some counter-assumptions:

Everything is a belief system.

To be elite is to be better at something than others are, and there is nothing which, by virtue of being a Satanist, one is better than others at.

Each Satanist is on at least three spectrums: (1) more or less atheistic; (2) more or less misanthropic; and (3) more or less of a flair for the dramatic.

It is possible, by intense self-reflection, to conclude that your view of the world is false, and your way of being is stupid, and accordingly to reinvent yourself with a new view of the world and a new way of being; specifically, Satanic ones; by a sustained and powerful act of will.

One common way of coming to realize your world view is false and your way of being is stupid is to read TSB and have it hit you like a thunderclap.

I'd also like to explore something I was recently thinking about, and which fits in with your comment. What I say next isn't meant to be a challenge to anything you said. I was thinking about this before I encountered your comment.

I would say narcissists and sociopaths see themselves as their own gods. To what extent does Satanism differ, if at all, from narcissism and sociopathy? Also, do you think it's correct or incorrect for modern psychology to list narcissism and sociopathy as disorders? Would modern psychology list Satanism as a disorder, and if it did, would it be in error?

I'm raising these questions in advance of having reached my own conclusions about them. I'm very open to input on them from you or anyone else.

I'll also say I don't like the "my own god" formulation, because it can be taken to mean weird things like self-worship, which I think is stupid. Worshipping anything is pointless, and worshipping myself would be comical. Likewise, thinking everything that happens to me is caused by me is stupid. Many things that happen to me are just luck, good or bad, while other things that happen to me are the will of other people, benevolent or malevolent.  

I think some guy who worshipped himself and thought everything that happened to him was caused by him would be rightly identified as a narcissist, and a pretty severe one at that.

I put myself above others unless I, in strength, freedom, and clarity, decide otherwise. I don't see a reason to dress that up with melodramatic metaphors like "my own god." I also don't see it as a trait or a characteristic, because I doubt a brain scan could identify the neurological basis of my self-above-others orientation.

The main ones, are the ones regulating dopamine, oxytocin, and vasopressin.

There is a predisposition to reward center induced feeling of love or euphoria for conformity reward in most people.  

I think this release can actually be altered if the species deems this reward obsolete, or necessary to prevent genetic stagnation. A selective variance in natural selection to not be rewarded by a pat on the back, naturally. 

Just my thought on that. I think it and faith as a method of attainment are genetic prediapositions in the same way addiction is.

What differentiates Satanism from a mental disorder is the use of one's will as opposed to being ruled by subconscious emotions and instincts. Such is, at least, the theory. In fact, people often act on impulse. More, there are even opinions that such a thing as free will doesn't exist. Remove it and you can safely file Satanism somewhere between narcissism and compulsive defiance disorder.

Narcissism and sociopathy are not the objective clinical conditions like, for example, schizophrenia. These are the labels other people use to describe the unruly behavior of the individuals who in one way or another transgress social and cultural norms. In the past, before secularization, such people would be called "evil." But our modern society seems to shudder at the mere mention of the word. Perhaps, it bears too many religious connotations or, perhaps, we prefer to think humanity is inherently good. The contemporary world condemns those who defy its values while believing people are not "bad"... just sick in the head. And if they are merely sick, you can cure them, prescribe medications etc. It's also a tool of social control. A mental disorder comes with social stigma. Nobody wants to be considered a looney so it's one more motivation to conform.

People with untreated trauma from childhood are often drawn to transgressive beliefs, movements and religions. I think there is a connection between childhood trauma and the drawn to Satanism or the LHP in general. The interesting thing is if Satanists or Sinisterists (if we can call all types of people on the LHP that?) have been able to use the satanic/dark rituals to handle their emotions which is why they never came in conflict with the law.