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Are you fucking retarded? You couldn't, with your vast knowledge of psychology, pick up the sarcasm in this statement? We can surmise you are at least an idiot. 

So you believe that anyone who can't sense sarcasm in a social network are retarded? What do you base that belief on? What knowledge du you actually have on human psychology? Anna states she is a Christian but my experience with Christians is that they are all hypocrites, so I was pretty sure that she would either respond sarcastic or find an other way to hide her hypocrisy. I suspect she have emotional instability. 

Quote from Aborior Translatione

Yes, you just want to play pretend in front of symbols that you have no clue about, 

That's your opinion but now when you admit you have not even read TSB all your post in this thread falls apart. Your attempt to humiliate me have been a completely failure.

No I have never read TSB once, at all, ever. And I totally mean that without any sarcasm whatsoever.  

Are you sure about that? You know the what it says about solipsism right?  

This has been fun, and you have held up admirably. I mean your pluck and determination to not face reality. 

So let's switch it to a question pertaining to doing Satanism because I'm sick of this esoteric/archetype/collective unconscious shit I started...

What is central to satanism where autodeification is concerned? 

A. Understanding the religion for its traditions and message of becoming god, which is done in a ritual setting, because you allow yourself to believe you have godlike power and you worship yourself as god first and foremost.

B. Direct actions associated with establishing a personal ethic and approach irrelevant to any prescribed specific doctrine but intimately influenced by constructs within society? 

Be honest.

Tom Riddle, firstly I just wanted to briefly address your post about the ‘mystical experiences during esoteric rituals.’

Contemporary scholarship in the western esoteric tradition has drawn a sharp distinction between the mystical and the esoteric.

The type of gnosis involved in a mystical experience is quite different from the esoteric. A mystical experience is regarded as indescribable. Signifiers are always regarded as inadequate to encapsulate and communicate that experience. That is the nature of the mystical. It can’t be spoken of.

The esoteric experience is entirely different from the mystical. The esoteric is always mediated by the signifier, whether the signifier is a spoken litany or text or a symbol or significant objects. You can only access esoteric gnosis through mediation.

The types of rituals which Anton LaVey fashioned in the Satanic Bible and the Satanic Rituals are esoteric – they always rely on the mediation of litany and text and symbols and significant objects to work.

Secondly, I also would encourage you to move beyond a philosophy of the psychological subject when trying to figure out how satanic ritual works. If you intend to talk about “dark forces” or “dark forces of nature” then I think you need a more objective ontology to account for those “dark forces” or “dark forces of nature.” I think you have to get away from the self and look out into the world.

I think this approach is consistent with LaVey’s philosophy because he believed in a supernormal and moreover he believed he could achieve tangible results from the practice of magic.        

1. The preparation and banishing or cleaning the mind and space.

2. The recitation of the invocation of the gods.

3. The body of ritual whatever it's prayers, spell craft or psychodramas.

4. Dismiss of the gods through thanking. In LaVey's methods it's the enochian keys the high priest recite.

5. Cleaning or banishing.

The discussion is what the gods are and what magic is. Are the gods simply metaphorical or powers or actual entities? Is magic or spell craft pure psychological or does it have an effect on the outside world? What is real? What is illusion? I have left that discussion. I think the most reasonable is to follow the rules or laws of the occult forces like it was gravity despite your rational mind says it's bullshit. Do not underestimate the invoked gods or demons because it could be the case they really have power that also have a negative effect.

How would autodeification pertain to glorification of one's ego? How does incorporation of the Satan archetype pertain to Satanism as a day to day practice in the glorification of self? 

You said: 

The central to Satanism is glorification of the ego. The worship of Satan is really a worship of the Satanist's own projected self. This is what Satanism is all about. 

but you also said you only use archetypes in a fantasy ritual setting, so how do you autodeify outside that context?

Is the practice of Satanism primarily a ritual thing? 

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 To any autodeified Satanists saying, "Why don't you give him a break?" 

Persistent and deliberately obtuse arrogance and perpetual victim of solipsistic "misunderstandings" dating back years. 

When you say autodeifcation do you mean "own god" concept?

The practice of Satanism is an action against godlike authority. That's what autodeification is, the cebtral thene of the satan archetype. Normative morality. Unjust dictates. Uncritical thought. Herd Behavior. Transgression of these is key antinomianism which is central to satanism. It is the reason one of the respondents in this thread isn't bashing you like a hopeless retard.  Think he gives two fucks what we think or do?  Maybe just enough to ACT apart. 

It is an inborn trait to ACT independently from the rest. 

It's primarily an action. The carnal comes into play as one of the "transgression of normative morality" things. The 7 deadly sins? Love 'em all, with moderation...

So glorification of the ego is primarily the worship of Satan?

No, "Kill yourself" is too cliche for an autodeification thread.

I'll just repeat myself with corrections in bold : 

The practice of Satanism is an action against godlike authority. That's what autodeification is, the central theme of the satan archetype. Normative morality. Unjust dictates. Uncritical thought. Herd Behavior. Transgression of these is key antinomianism which is central to satanism. It is the reason one of the respondents in this thread isn't bashing you like a hopeless retard.  Think he gives two fucks what we think or do?  Maybe just enough to ACT apart.  

It is an inborn trait to ACT independently from the rest. 

It's primarily an action. The carnal comes into play as one of the "transgression of normative morality" things. The 7 deadly sins? Love 'em all, with moderation...

Now go see if SOTHG disagrees with me.

Where's Dimitri?   

Quote from Tom Riddle

Quote from Aborior Translatione What is glorification of the ego without a cause for the self, you condescending twat? 

So glorification of the ego is primarily the worship of Satan?

I said in the beginning in this thread that the worship of Satan was an excuse for Satanists to create and maintain a tribe. Without the satanic religion Satanists are just basically critical thinkers with passion for the carnal who basically have nothing common beside that. The causes for the self is something else. I can have one cause for my self and an other Satanist can have an other. Our causes of our selfs has nothing to do with Satanism itself.

I'll just put a few excerpts in bold and not add much additional commentary except.. 

Wow!

The causes of ourselves have nothing to do with Satanism, you say? 

Wow. 

For example:

Isn't an accusation (removal) of a hindrance in your life primarily an action of Satanism? Isnt it a cause for the self when you draw on a rebellious archetype to establish autonomy from orthodoxy by directly removing yourself from it for a personal reason? 

How can that above quote and the below quote hold concurrently: 

Congratulations on the 16 page thread, it was your inept grasping of it all that made it possible. 

Quote from Aborior Translatione  Isnt it a cause for the self when you draw on a rebellious archetype to establish autonomy from orthodoxy by directly removing yourself from it for a personal reason? 

Yes Satan literally means the accuser. When you are a critical thinker you will begin to accuse blind faith and you will begin to accuse anything above you if they hinder you in enjoying your life. 

Aren't things that impose upon your will "above you", or trying to act as much?  I was going off your words, and now your backtracking saying everyone does it.  If Satanism as a religion is dissolving the influences that hinder; how can you also deny there is personal cause within satanism? 

You miss the point entirely when Satanism exists primarily as a symbolic attainment to be experienced in ritual, which is what you have also said. 

You can say I'm wrong all you want, but when you take away the direct actions of heterodox attainment (personal ego based causes) IN REAL LIFE SITUATIONS you take away Satanism. 

All you're left with is deluding yourself while thinking about dark symbols and calling it a religion.

See you in a different thread. As you have said, no one can make you leave, but you can occupy all activity with your stubborn denial. Maintaining that has so far been the most satanic thing you've done. To hell with counterproductive pride! 

Have the final word now...

Quote from Aborior Translatione To hell with counterproductive pride!