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TR:   The central to Satanism is glorification of the ego. The worship of Satan is really a worship of the Satanist's own projected self. This is what Satanism is all about. However, when a Satanist is a doubter it can become difficult to delude himself to perform the psychodrama so his intellect therefore needs a decompression which requires the ritual chamber


In my opinion, you definitely have held up admirably, consideting this shit has been kicked around for almost a week now. The hottest topic on the network (congrats)... though still a load of garbage.


Your "decompression chamber" sounds more like a retreat to whack your and your fellow man's meat and to blow a few.

MatthewJ1
MatthewJ1 Apr 13 '21

I thought I would make one last post in this thread. I just wanted to talk about magic a bit more.

 

One thing I would encourage you to do Tom Riddle is look at other resources, rather than just focus on the Satanic Bible. It is a useful book, but there are other resources. You seem to want to universalize and create a priori truths for all your particular claims and for the claims of the Satanic Bible. Contemporary Satanism doesn’t work that way – there are no central truths, in my view. TSB is just one tool amongst many others.  

 

In regards to the 5 step process you have elaborated for all religious and occult rituals. This won’t stand up to critical scrutiny I’m afraid.

 

I was reading Paracelsus the other day and he was talking about the way he conducted medical research at that time he was practicing medicine. His view was that the things of this world, such as plants, etc., contained an occult essence, and that one could carefully identify and examine this occult essence of things with magic. Or, in other words, one could lay out all of the qualities of a thing through magical scrutiny.

 

That type of magical enquiry is different from the type of ritual behavior you have identified in your post with its 5 steps. Paracelsus was engaged in identifying the occult parts of plants and determining their use in medical practice. The modus operandi of his magic is of a different order than the modus operandi you have identified in your 5 ritual steps. He is not engaged in theurgy or goetia.

 

Further, the case of Paracelsus offers a useful illustration. In my view, the primary purpose of satanic ritual, besides achieving a tangible outcome, is to identify the occult essence of things. It is to figure out how the world works esoterically. There is a satanic ontology which magic can reveal to the sincere seeker. That ontology is touched on by Anton LaVey in his work and it broadly underpins satanic magic in my view.

 

I don’t think you can just push this critical discussion to one side. The sincere magician needs to learn what happens during magical ritual. I think that question is the core question. It is a significant part of occultism – to gain knowledge of the occult.      

Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Apr 13 '21
@Matthewj1 


I have never claimed that TSB have the truth. It only comes with an introduction to Satanism defined outside Christianity as a religion based on science of human nature. It's important that people have read the book when they walk around in the satanic community. Personally, I have moved on from the practice of Satanism. At the core I'm a Satanist as I was born that way but my practice is occultism which is not something I will share her.

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Aborior Translatione

Quote from Tom Riddle I ...personally, I have moved on from the practice of Satanism. At the core I'm a Satanist as I was born that way but my practice is occultism which is not something I will share her.
It's an 'esoteric' analogy.




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Cornelius Coburn
Cornelius Coburn Apr 14 '21
Quote from Tom Riddle. It's important that people have read the book when they walk around in the satanic community.

I've never read it. Nearly a couple decades ago there was this one girl that I lived with for a year and there was talk of a "Satanic Bible" and I remember saying that I would like to see it, but that it had been discarded for some reason.


I clicked on a link to see what the IDC was all about, and that's about it. I started reading and it was like okay I'm pretty familiar with this just not the terminology.

Aborior Translatione
The first time I read it I was coming down off acid at my friend's house in 1999. 16 years old. 


3 hits "Mad Hatter Triple Dip".


After everyone passed out or went off doing Acid things I was left with their extensive collection of every religious text ever printed. Including a 60's copy of the TSB. 


I was fairly irreligious except The Church of Gonzo. So I read it Like, "Ooooo, Satanic Bible, neat!" .  


I couldn't figure out whay that had to do with Satan. I remember "Satan represents...." and I was disappointed.  I was expecting more of an infernal diatribe.  Something more Serial Killer Like,  "Drain the blood of the innocent".


Didn't really pick it up again until my 20's.


And the only reason I picked it up again is because I had mandatory AA meetings and it seems like the furthered thing from a higher power. I put "Satanic AA" into google and went from there. But I still didn't actually understand the core until someone pointed out my own behavior and said, "You didn't even know what you were doing". 


Really clicked about 2 years in. 


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Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Apr 14 '21
Quote from Cornelius Coburn

I clicked on a link to see what the IDC was all about, and that's about it. I started reading and it was like okay I'm pretty familiar with this just not the terminology.


There is no online version of TSB. There are incomplete ones and fake ones. This may be the other reason why TST makes these fallacies against COS in the public debate such as COS believes in supernaturalism.
Anna
Anna Apr 15 '21

Quote from Tom Riddle
There is no online version of TSB. There are incomplete ones and fake ones.

Of course, because this is what the CoS says. And it must be true because they get money from the copyright and if you download it for free, they won't get the money. So why should they be lying?


They even go as far as claim that those online versions contain malware. Just imagine it. One day you read TSB and the next day you wake up only to find out that the devil emptied your bank account. 

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Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Apr 15 '21
Quote from Anna 

Of course, because this is what the CoS says. And it must be true because they get money from the copyright and if you download it for free, they won't get the money. So why should they be lying?


They even go as far as claim that those online versions contain malware. Just imagine it. One day you read TSB and the next day you wake up only to find out that the devil emptied your bank account. 


People have demonstrated again and again they have not read TSB despite their claims. I don't think they are all lying. If there are fake or incomplete versions of TSB online then there is an explanation for their delusions. 
Anna
Anna Apr 15 '21
And you base your assumptions on what exactly? I haven't seen any fake or incomplete versions of TSB online. But I would be curious as to what is in a printed version that the online one lacks. And ffs, provide some evidence. I'm not asking for the scan of the missing paragraphs. Just quote them. And I can see for myself if they are indeed not included in pdf files. 
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Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Apr 15 '21
Quote from Anna 

They even go as far as claim that those online versions contain malware. Just imagine it. One day you read TSB and the next day you wake up only to find out that the devil emptied your bank account. 

I don't care about what CoS claim. They are irrelevant here. When people do not know the basic or essential of Satanism then we can conclude they have not read TSB. Simple. 
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Anna
Anna Apr 15 '21

Quote from Tom Riddle 
I don't care about what CoS claim. They are irrelevant here. When people do not know the basic or essential of Satanism then we can conclude they have not read TSB. Simple. 
But honey, you wrote:

"There is no online version of TSB. There are incomplete ones and fake ones."


Since you've made such a claim then you must have some evidence that some passages from the printed version of TSB are missing from the online versions or have been rewritten. So I'm asking you to quote them. Is this too much? 

Aborior Translatione
That's a good point. We can't be sure if people have read it. Wanna make them? 


Would you like me to post the first 2 books in their entirety?


Seahorses and everything.  


Then everyone will have to read at least the essays and ripped of Redbeard shit. 


I'll do it.  60+ pages of text copied to this thread.


Only way to be sure. 

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Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Apr 15 '21
Quote from Anna And you base your assumptions on what exactly? 

I base it on the fact that people are completely ignorant about TIDC like it's not there in the online version. Of course I can be mistaken here but then it's the case that these people are liars because if they have read TSB they know what TIDC is. 

Aborior Translatione

Quote from Tom Riddle
Quote from Anna And you base your assumptions on what exactly? 

I base it on the fact that people are completely ignorant about TIDC like it's not there in the online version. Of course I can be mistaken here but then it's the case that these people are liars because if they have read TSB they know what TIDC is. 


Well, now you will know they have read the chapter on "The Intellectual Decompression Chamber". 


Anything else you wanna make sure people have read? 


THE RITUAL, OR

"INTELLECTUAL DECOMPRESSION",

CHAMBER


A MAGICAL ceremony may be performed by oneself or in a group, but the advantages 

of each should be made clear.

A group ritual is certainly much more of a reinforcement of faith, and an instillation of 

power, than is a private ceremony. The massing together of persons who are dedicated 

to a common philosophy is bound to insure a renewal of confidence in the power of 

magic. The pageantry of religion consistently becomes a solitary situation it reaches 

into that realm of self-denail which runs concurrent with anti-social behavior.

It is for this reason that the Satanist should attempt to seek out others with whom to engage in 

these ceremonies.

In the case of a curse or destruction ritual, it sometimes helps the magician if his desires are 

intensified by other members of the group. There is nothing in this type of ceremony which 

would lead to embarrassment on the part of those conducting a ritual of this sort, since anger 

and the symbolic destruction of the intended victim are the essential ingredients.

On the other hand, a compassion ritual, with its unashamed shedding of tears, or a sex ritual, 

with its masturbatory and orgasmic overtones, would most likely succeed best if privately 

performed.

There is no place for self-consciousness in the ritual chamber, unless that very self-

consciousness is an integral part of the role being played, and can be used to good advantage -

i.e.: the shame felt by a prudent woman serving as an altar, who, through her embarrassment, 

feels sexual stimulation.

Even in a totally personalized ritual, however, the standardized preliminary invocations and 

devices should be employed before the intimate fantasies and acting out occur. The formal 

part of the ritual can be performed in the same room or chamber as the personalized working -

or, the formal ceremony in one place, the personal in another. The beginning and end of the 

ritual must be conducted within the confines of the ritual chamber containing the symbolic 

devices (altar, chalice, etc.).

The formalized beginning and end of the ceremony acts as a dogmatic, anti-intellectual 

device, the purpose of which is to disassociate the activities and frame of reference of the 

outside world from that of the ritual chamber, where the whole will must be employed. This 

facet of the ceremony is most important to the intellectual, as he especially requires the 

"decompression chamber" effect of the chants, bells, candles, and other trappings, before he 

can put his pure and willful desires to work for himself, in the projection and utilization of his 

imagery.

The "intellectual decompression chamber" of the Satanic temple might be considered a 

training school for temporary ignorance, as are ALL religious services! The difference is that 

the Satanist KNOWS he is practicing a form of contrived ignorance in order to expand his will, 

whereas another religionist doesn't - or if he does know, he practices that form of self-deceit which forbids such recognition. His ego is already too shaky from his religious inculcation to 

allow himself to admit to such a thing as self-imposed ignorance! 

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Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Apr 15 '21
Quote from Aborior Translatione 

Well, now you will know they have read the chapter on "The Intellectual Decompression Chamber". 


Anything else you wanna make sure people have read? 


Yes I also want to make sure Satanic Magic Theory and Practice is written. TST claims "LaVeyan" Satanists believe in supernaturalism because magic is mentioned in LaVey's writings. They even go so far to spell it "magick". LaVey's definition is not the same as Crowley's. I doubt these people even have read an online version of TSB.



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Aborior Translatione

Quote from Tom Riddle
Quote from Aborior Translatione 

Well, now you will know they have read the chapter on "The Intellectual Decompression Chamber". 


Anything else you wanna make sure people have read? 


Yes I also want to make sure Satanic Magic Theory and Practice is written. TST claims "LaVeyan" Satanists believe in supernaturalism because magic is mentioned in LaVey's writings. They even go so far to spell it "magick". LaVey's definition is not the same as Crowley's. I doubt these people even have read an online version of TSB.




Okie dokie...


THE THEORY AND PRACTICE OF SATANIC MAGIC(Definition and Purpose)


THE definition of magic, as used in this book, is: "The change in situations or events in accordance with one's will, which would, using normally accepted methods, be unchangable." This admittedly leaves a large area for personal interpretation. It will be said, by some, that these instructions and procedures are nothing more than applied psychology, or scientific fact, called by "magical" terminology - until they arrive at a passage in the text that is "based on no known scientific finding". It is for this reason that no attempt has been made to limit the explanations set forth to a set nomenclature. Magic is never totally scientifically explainable, but science has always been, at one time or another, considered magic.There is no difference between "White" and "Black" magic, except in the smug hypocrisy, guilt-ridden righteousness, and self-deceit of the "White" magician himself. BIn the classical religious tradition, "White" magic is performed for altruistic, benevolent, and "good" purposes; while "Black" magic is used for self-aggrandizement, personal power, and "evil" purposes. No one on earth ever pursued occult studies, metaphysics, yoga, or any other "white light" concept, without ego gratification and personal power as a goal. It just so happens that some people enjoy wearing hair shirts, and others prefer velvet or silk. What is pleasure to one, is pain to another, and the same applies to "good" and "evil". Every practitioner of witchcraft is convinced that he or she is doing the "right" thing.Magic falls into two categories, ritual or ceremonial, and non-ritual or manipulative. Ritual magic consists of the performance of a formal ceremony, taking place, at least in part, within the confines of an area set aside for such purposes and at a specific time. Its main function is to isolate the otherwise dissipated adrenal and other emotionally induced energy, and convert it into a dynamically transmittable force. It is purely an emotional, rather than intellectual, act. Any and all intellectual activity must take place before the ceremony, not during it. This type of magic is sometimes known as "GREATER MAGIC".Non-ritual or manipulative magic, sometimes called "LESSER MAGIC", consists of the wile and guile obtained through various devices and contrived situations, which when utilized, can create "change, in accordance with one's will". In olden times this would be called "fascination", "glamour", or the "evil eye".Most of the victims of the witch trials were not witches. Often the victims were eccentric old women who were either senile or did not conform to society. Sometimes you can kidnap a college student from a roadside diner on a dark country highway. You can put her bound and gagged into the trunk of your car and drive them one hundred and thirty-seven miles to a desolate cabin by a lake in the mountains. She's your toy now. You pull off the moonlit road, you hear a coyote yelping. You take the bound woman out of the car. Into the rape cabin you go. You remove the blindfold. You let her know she will always be chained to the radiator. No one will hear her scream. Others were exceptionally attractive women who turned the heads of the men in power, and were not responsive to their advances. The real witches were rarely executed, or even brought to trial, as they were proficient in the art of enchantment and could charm the men and save their own lives. Most of the real witches were sleeping with the inquisitors. This is the origin of the word "glamour". The antiquated meaning of glamour is witchcraft. The most important asset to the modern witch is her ability to be alluring, or to utilize glamour. The word "fascination" has a similarly occult origin. Fascination was the term applied to the evil eye. To fix a person's gaze, in other words, fascinate, was to curse them with the evil eye. Therefore, if a woman had the ability to fascinate men, she was regarded as a witch.Learning to effectively utilize the command to LOOK, is an integral part of a witch's or warlock's training. To manipulate a person, you must first be able to attract and hold his attention. The three methods by which the command to look can be accomplished are the utilization of sex, sentiment, or wonder, or any combination of these. A witch must, honestly, decide into which category she most naturally falls. The first category, that of sex, is self-evident. If a woman is attractive or sexually appealing, she should do everything in her power to make herself as enticing as possible, thereby using sex as her most powerful tool. Once she has gained the man's attention, by using her sex appeal, she is free to manipulate him to her will. The second category is sentiment. Usually older woman fit into this category. This would include the "cookie lady" type witch, who might live in a little cottage, and be thought of by people as being a bit eccentric. Children are usually enchanted by the fantasy that this type of witch can provide for them, and young adults seek her out for her sage-like advice. Through their innocence, children can recognize her magical power. By conforming to an image of the sweet little old lady next door, she can employ the art of misdirection to accomplish her goals. The third category is the wonder theme. This category would apply to the woman who is strange or awesome in her appearance. By making her strange appearance work for her, she can manipulate people simply becuase they are fearful of the consequences should they not do as she asks.Many women fit into more than one of these categories. For example, the young girl who has an appearance of freshness and innocence, but at the same time is very sexy, combines sex appeal with sinister overtones, uses sex and wonder. After evaluating her assets, each witch must decide into which category or combination of categories she fits, and then utilize these assets in their proper form.To be a successful warlock, a man must similarly fit himself into the proper category. The handsome or sexually appealing man would, naturally, fit into the first category - sex. The second, or sentiment category would apply to the older man who has, perhaps, an elfin or forest wizard appearance. The sweet old grandpa (often a dirty old man!) would also be in the sentiment category. The third type would be the man who presents a sinister or diabolic appearance. Each of these men would apply his particular brand of the command to look, in much the same way as the women previously described.Visual imagery utilized for emotional reaction is certainly the most important device incorporated in the practice of lesser magic. Anyone who is foolish enough to say "looks don't mean a thing" is indeed deluded. Good looks are unnecessary, but "looks" certainly are needed!Odor is another important manipulative factor in lesser magic. Remember, animals fear and distrust anyone or anything that doesn't smell! And even though we may, as human animals, deny many of the judgments based on this sense consciously, we still are motivated by our sense of smell just as surely as any all-fours animal. If you are a man, and wish to enchant a woman, allow the natural secretions of your body to pervade the atmosphere immediately around you, and work in animalistic contrast to the vestments of social politeness that you wear upon your back. If you, as a woman, wish to bewitch a man, do not fear that you might "offend" simply because the oils and fragrances of your flesh have not been scrubbed away, or that place between your thighs is not dry and sterile. These natural odors are the sexual stimulants which nature, in her magical wisdom, has provided. The sentiment stimulants are those odors that will appeal to pleasant memories and nostalgia. The enchanting of a man, through his stomach, is first established by the smell of cooking! A "sentiment" type of witch will find this one of the most useful of all charms. It is not so facetious to dwell upon the technique of the man who wished to charm the young lady who had been displaced from her home of childhood joys, which happened to be a fishing village. Wise to the ways of lesser magic, he neatly tucked a mackerel into his trousers pocket, andreaped the rewards that great fondness may often bring.


Okay, now that I shared the important stuff you can't use that argument anymore. 

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Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Apr 15 '21
Quote from Aborior Translatione 

Okay, now that I shared the important stuff you can't use that argument anymore. 


It was not an argument. It was a suspicion. I can acknowledge that I can be wrong and have no problem in admitting it.



Quote from Aborior Translatione
This admittedly leaves a large area for personal interpretation. It will be said, by some, that these instructions and procedures are nothing more than applied psychology

This is here TST falls apart when they claim that "LaVeyan" Satanists believe in supernaturalism just because magic is mentioned in LaVey's writtings. They focus a lot of their criticism on the magic stuff they see as a problem... They demonstrates they have not even read Book of Belial at all... https://thesatanictemple.com/...an-vs-satanic-temple

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Anna
Anna Apr 15 '21

Quote from Tom Riddle

This is here TST falls apart when they claim that "LaVeyan" Satanists believe in supernaturalism just because magic is mentioned in LaVey's writtings. They focus a lot of their criticism on the magic stuff they see as a problem... They demonstrates they have not even read Book of Belial at all... https://thesatanictemple.com/...an-vs-satanic-temple

Not really. You must have reading comprehension issues. 


LaVey’s belief in the power of magic was artfully, and probably intentionally, unclear in his writings. He denied that the power of magic, which he believed was harnessed through rote pageantry in the “ritual chamber,” could be described as supernatural as opposed to merely as-yet unexplained by science. However, LaVey’s own descriptions of MAGICAL SUCCESSES, from deadly hexes to unexplained healings, were as scientifically unjustified as any supernatural claims to magical influence.


It's not the same as stating "LaVeyans" believe in the supernatural. 

Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Apr 15 '21
Quote from Anna
Quote from Tom Riddle

This is here TST falls apart when they claim that "LaVeyan" Satanists believe in supernaturalism just because magic is mentioned in LaVey's writtings. They focus a lot of their criticism on the magic stuff they see as a problem... They demonstrates they have not even read Book of Belial at all... https://thesatanictemple.com/...an-vs-satanic-temple

Not really. You must have reading comprehension issues. 


LaVey’s belief in the power of magic was artfully, and probably intentionally, unclear in his writings. He denied that the power of magic, which he believed was harnessed through rote pageantry in the “ritual chamber,” could be described as supernatural as opposed to merely as-yet unexplained by science. However, LaVey’s own descriptions of MAGICAL SUCCESSES, from deadly hexes to unexplained healings, were as scientifically unjustified as any supernatural claims to magical influence.


It's not the same as stating "LaVeyans" believe in the supernatural. 


Yes TST are very good to use manipulating rhetoric so they have a justification for their activity. A common trait between all left wings. There is no reason to modify Satanism at all because it's not based on teachings but on doubt.
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