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Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle May 6 '21
Quote from Anna

So says a mindfucked idiot and you must believe him because he thinks he's right.


And you still need to get treatment for your emotional instability. I know what I'm talking about. You just don't like it.
Cornelius Coburn
Cornelius Coburn May 6 '21
While reading some of the recent postings and just a general reflection on the whole it does remind me of my situation here at home. My girlfriend most often does not listen to me, for whatever reason.


I say brilliant things to her like CM and Anna to this dude, laid to waste and unappreciated, although at least here other listeners make it worthwhile, but for me I can only hope that possibly some invisible or inconspicuous entities are present and assimilating so my words do not fall to an infinite void of nothingness.


And there is the humorous side of things as well as I often present in which the aforementioned also applies.


She appears conditioned and brainwashed into patterns and behavior that is difficult if not impossible to break much of the time. It is what it is though for the moments in question and of course other times there are the forums and on occasion otherwise.

Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle May 6 '21
Quote from Cornelius Coburn

I say brilliant things to her like CM and Anna to this dude, 


Those "brilliant things" is nothing more than manipulating rhetoric and tirades. They don't even know what TIDC means...
Anna
Anna May 6 '21

Quote from Tom RiddleI know what I'm talking about. You just don't like it.

This is weak sauce, man. Get your shit straight or you will always be the source of endless comedy.

Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle May 6 '21
Quote from Anna you will always be the source of endless comedy.

But no one
 laughing. You are angry and pissed off...  Your endless tirades are all evidence of that...
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Anna
Anna May 6 '21
@CC

I realize it looks like throwing pearls before swines but as you said this is a public forum with some other people reading, hopefully. Without it only blogging remains and  that would be much less fun. This is a better venue to express one's points than Wordpress because there are some discussions here. And that guy is quite entertaining in his stupidity. 

Cornelius Coburn
Cornelius Coburn May 6 '21
Most intelligent people have their idiosyncrasies but I wouldn't necessarily equate that to any sort of mental impairment although possibly the contrary.


And also I believe that one person here may be getting a bit excessively annoyed, but it isn't her.

Cornelius Coburn
Cornelius Coburn May 6 '21
Quote from Anna 

I realize it looks like throwing pearls before swines but as you said this is a public forum with some other people reading, hopefully. Without it only blogging remains and  that would be much less fun. This is a better venue to express one's points than Wordpress because there are some discussions here. And that guy is quite entertaining in his stupidity.

Yeah I realize all that; if it was just him than there would be absolutely no reason for any of it.
Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle May 6 '21
Quote from AnnaAnd that guy is quite entertaining in his stupidity. 

Remember to translate your tirade language. "Stupidity" to you means a person who possess qualities you can't handle through manipulating rhetoric, slandering, shaming tactics and personal attacks. 
Cornelius Coburn
Cornelius Coburn May 6 '21
I was also considering an alternative to the "multi-user" account in that perhaps it IS only one user but that some posts are creating some sort of a 'mental overload' but there still remains the compulsion, the pressure, and the NEED to say SOMETHING, ergo the extreme deviation in style, or, personality.
Aborior Translatione

Quote from Tom Riddle
Quote from Aborior Translationeyou are the first person to focus on the latter half of the book that I have EVER encountered. 

Which tells me that there are many pretenders in the satanic online community. The first half is outdated as it takes place in LaVey's periode of time where the society was a lot different. 


Quote from Aborior Translatione his IDC bullshit 

The fact you are calling it "bullshit" proves you are not a Satanist. It's all about rhetoric from your side which a Satanist can look through. That's why LaVey created the CoS. Reactions of the pretenders proves they are pretenders.


Quote from Aborior Translationebecause you have a disgusting personality 

The only one here with a disgusting personality is you as you believe in justification of online bulling. Such acts has a created terrorists throughout history. In fact you are a horrible person.

Bravo. You should write an unintelligible book on how to deploy psychological defense mechanisms to guard ones own ego against criticism.  Like Robert Greene but attuned to hypocritical self-deceit. You have mastered it. 

Quote from Tom Riddle
Quote from AnnaSo the philosophy and ceremony part were both created at the same time.

Yes but TIDC is not based on a specific philosophy. Satanists who disagree philosophically can participate in the same ceremony because of TIDC


Once more.


THE SECOND HALF OF THE SATANIC BIBLE WAS ADDED AFTER THE PUBLISHER WOULDN'T PUBLISH SUCH A SHORT BOOK. IT WAS ADDED TO FILL SPACE. 


Didn't the inclusion of John Dee's made up language tip you off? Why not just use pig Latin or sing about little lambs and ivy? The shit MOST PULLED out his ass you've mananged to build an ironic interpretation of Satanism around.


Let's return to this again...

Quote from Tom Riddle
The first half is outdated as it takes place in LaVey's periode of time where the society was a lot different. 
Outdated? 


IT CAN'T BE OUTDATED BECAUSE THIS IS THE PART THAT IS SUPPOSED TO SPEAK TO THE PERSONALITY OF THE SATANIST. 


Along the lines of: 


"OH MY LOGIC, LAVEY HAS THE SAME VIEW ON REVENGE I DO! THATS EXACTLY WHAT I'VE ALWAYS SAID! HE ALSO THINKS DIVINE THINGS ARE WRITTEN BY MAN TOO! EXACTLY!" 



And so on finding parallels in similar life-applicable situations.


Now, I want you scrap your derp together and answer the question: Where in the last half of TSB do you read what's written and say,


"EXACTLY. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE ALWAYS SAID!"


?????

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Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle May 6 '21
Quote from Aborior Translatione 

IT CAN'T BE OUTDATED BECAUSE THIS IS THE PART THAT IS SUPPOSED TO SPEAK TO THE PERSONALITY OF THE SATANIST. 


You are right I was mistaken. It's like a mirror.


Quote from Aborior Translatione 

Now, I want you scrap your derp together and answer the question: Where in the last half of TSB do you read what's written and say,


The second half that concerns GM and IDC is connected to the first half. While the first is more intellectual the second is emotional. Magic replaces prayer. TIDC suspends the disbeliefs. When I'm a doubter I need IDC. When I don't want to hope for a god granting me my desires I utilize magic. That's the mindset of the Satanist defined by LaVey.


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Anna
Anna May 6 '21
The magic is about releasing the pent up emotions. That's all that has ever been to it. Like the destruction ritual, which serves to release the emotions of anger and hatred. This is on par with the philosophy glorifying the natural human emotion (hatred) and the resulting desire for revenge instead of forgiving your enemies, which is advocated by Christianity.


If you treat "magic" as a substitute for God expecting it to grant you your desires, then you are simply a theist disguised as a "doubter."

Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle May 6 '21
Quote from Anna The magic is about releasing the pent up emotions. 

LaVey leaves room for personal interpretation. 
Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle May 6 '21

Quote from Anna

If you treat "magic" as a substitute for God expecting it to grant you your desires, then you are simply a theist disguised as a "doubter."


I ask you again... Do you even understand what IDC is?

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MatthewJ1
MatthewJ1 May 6 '21

Tom Riddle: I encourage people to acknowledge that ceremony and holiday makes Satanism. Without that there is no Satanism. The symbol of Satan would be useless and pointless.

 

Quite disingenuous and misleading, sir…

 

Over the years I have noticed a certain trend in people who claim the descriptor Satanist, but whose claims to that title are dubious. They usually accept some parts of The Satanic Bible and then ignore, exclude, downplay, gloss over or whitewash the rest of the book. It’s usually the Redbeard part, which receives this poor treatment.

 

Such is the case here, I think. You can’t claim to be a Satanist, as per LaVey’s definition and discount or downplay up to one half of TSB. You just can’t ignore up to one half of the book by fetishizing the parts on ritual and ceremony, and whitewashing or rationalizing the rest away.  

 

Again, as stated elsewhere, Satan is the personification of the LHP and hence, as a result, Satanism is a left hand path philosophy/religion/praxis - greater and lesser magic, as a consequence of this correct orientation, are merely tools to be used or not used by the Satanist as needed. Magic isn’t an exclusive end in itself.

 

I think the LHP, which LaVey pointed to, involves an alchemical process. That is a praxis which is designed to incinerate, isolate and refine. It is designed to liberate the individual from the accumulated detritus of social programming and other RHP conditioning to reveal something more “pure” through transgression or antinomianism or self-overcoming, if you want to use that sort of language.

 

Further, it must surely be clear, that LaVey adopted a Darwinian, Social-Darwinian and Nietzchean position. I think there is a lot of evidence to support that claim. Accordingly, the modus operandi of this LHP journey is will to power, might is right and survival of the fittest.    

 

Satanism consequently is about dominance, about controlling circumstances, states of affairs and others as far as you can, to bring about change in conformity with your will. This is the context within which any magical practice takes place. The end point of this LHP is to obtain tangible real world results. It is about gaining as much power and pleasure as possible. It is about control. That’s where liberation and so called “I-theism” lies I think.

Anna
Anna May 6 '21

@Tom Riddle

Your arrogance is astounding.


If someone here doesn't understand the chapter regarding the intellectual decompression chamber, it is you. It's not about the suspension of the doubt but of certainty. CERTAINTY. This is what you got wrong. The certainty that the supernatural doesn't exist, just like pink elephants don't exist. It has always been addressed to declared atheists, not wishy-washy seekers or theists fancying themselves doubters.


I even quoted the relevant part. Should I quote it again?


Or maybe, like Canis, should I post the entire chapter? Or better, post the entire second part of the book to show how twisted your ideas are. Not that it would get through to you because you're blinded by your cognitive biases and only see what you want to see. There was the time I remember, you were prattling about deities and your devotion to them. Now you parade as a "doubter", desperately seeking justification for your hidden theistic inclinations, which you don't even have enough honesty to admit.


If you were intellectually honest, then you would state that you are not a Satanist but you're fond of the Satanic decor and find it useful. That would be fair enough. But you not only claim the label which fits you like Barbie's dress fits a cow but also have a nerve to claim that only you get it while the entire population of Satanists doesn't.


Now, if your excessive pride was coupled with some intelligence, erudition and arguments that would actually stand in a debate, it would be less annoying. I'm not evaluating people's characters. But by God, you don't have even the slightest clue what you're pontificating about. And it is all about really simple stuff that should be understood by an average idiot, even if that average idiot isn't a Satanist.

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Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle May 6 '21
@Matthew 


You can walk the LHP without being a Satanist. The goal of the LHP is apotheosis. It's an esoteric practice that origins in hinduism. Satanism can be a wheel on the path but so can buddhism...


I don't ignore the first half of TSB. I focus on the second part because it seems so overlooked. Many of these individuals here don't even know what the intellectual decompression means but yet they call it bullshit. It's TIDC that is my reason to reject "branches of Satanism" and state that Satanism is Satanism. In that Satanic High Mass we see in the video could in theory easy have spiritual or theistic Satanists in the ceremony without they knew. They could have participants who despised each others or where not away they were there on the same time.


The problem with social darwinism is that I don't see modern Satanists actually live after it. If you lived after that philosophy you would end in jail or be destroyed if you encountered the wrong person. Social darwinism are not even supported by modern science on evolutionary biology. The human animal cooperates for survival and triumph. 


However as I pointed out then Book of Satan could be recited by the high priest in ceremony on the satanic holidays as a psychodrama.

Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle May 6 '21
Quote from Anna

If someone here doesn't understand the chapter regarding the intellectual decompression chamber, it is you. It's not about the suspension of the doubt but of certainty. 


It's about suspension of the INTELLECT. You and I in theory could have participated in that ceremony without we knew each others presence BECAUSE our intellects is decompressed. 



Quote from Anna

There was the time I remember, you were prattling about deities and your devotion to them.


Bullshit! I have never believed that. You endless propaganda and liars against me has begun to annoy me...
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Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle May 6 '21
Quote from Anna

If you were intellectually honest, then you would state that you are not a Satanist


Why? Because I'm not "intelligent" by your definition?
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