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ol' grimey
ol' grimey Apr 13 '16

Quote from FraterLuciferi I think all Satanists can agree that Satanism is about self realisation and individuality if the satanic groups look at their common root.
I would have to say that I certainly agree.
ManxLoaghtan Member
ManxLoaghtan Apr 21 '16
To gain more knowledge on many subjects, talk to others of like mind, partake in discussions with other individuals that may also be interested and to gain more personal understanding of self.  
Rich6Belial6Wilkinson6 Member
I appreciate everyone's comments!  Good to know we're all on the same page as far as gaining knowledge and growth!  Knowledge is the absolute power.  The more we learn the more power we gain.  
gamerguy666
gamerguy666 Apr 28 '16
Well I intend on gaining more knowledge not JUST about satanism. Knowledge in general my grammar has improved a good deal I'm more careful about what I post not just on here.


 I'm doing my up most to improve my life and reach my goals and gaining pretty good headway in that respect. Because as satanists success and intelligence and personal happiness IS the goal. Which is one of the reasons i chose satanism it's philosophy of live now don't wait for someone to give it to you TAKE IT because the chance/opportunity may not be there tomorrow. 


Plus the values and rules are just plain common sense as they where formed around human nature.

OpposingOppression
OpposingOppression Apr 29 '16
I haven't been a part of this forum for long, but I am on here pretty much every day. Unfortunately, there are not many forums for our beliefs and lifestyles, at least that I know of. However, I am serious about my beliefs. To answer your question, I am here looking for others who are serious about what they believe in. Unfortunately, I think 2 things hinder finding true believers. First of all, I've noticed that many people show up, create a profile merely out of curiosity, then disappear after a short period of time. Secondly, modern Satanism has so many different sub-beliefs that it's hard to find those that share your same beliefs. The latter reason doesn't bother me as much, because I respect their beliefs and love learning about others' views. However, I've found it very hard to find true, traditional, theistic Satanists. That's why I'm here. I have that beliefs and I want to network and find others to share in those beliefs. 
Corvus Corax Member
Corvus Corax Apr 29 '16
@ OpposingOppression- I'd like to advance a welcome with an insight. My observations have been that theistic beliefs are held to constant scrunity- and should be.

The weight of the claims made by theists are generally unbearable to the rational mind or empirical materialism. You'll find many vocal atheists here- but the theists are quieter. This appears to be because theism is one of the first converntions deconstructed by the LHP community and that communities elite caste.

That having been said- if you see a hole in the discourse or solidarity of your like minded fellows- you should just fill it- rather than add to the mundane diatribe. It would be refreshing to see another industrious sinisterian make a contribution.

On your second point- the one I think your best qualifies to speak to- I would state that sub beliefs are problemaic only for dogmatists. Each individual expression or manifesation of a philsophical tradition need not be categorized and labeled. In fact- it is a strength that these are held apart, suspended away from each other by their incongruence. Why?


Because; that ensures each individual thinks for themselves and aligns to the strafication assigned to them by their abilities and nature. Variabilty makes the herd mentality less contagious- in other words. In the beginning, ones vesitgal conformist conditioning compels one to seek  out a mostly adequate category to enlist into. It's important that the herd remains in chaos for the individual to overcome its former attachment to "belonging" to the other.


You will find what you seek. If you are finding isolation here- it's because you're looking for it. 

Rich6Belial6Wilkinson6 Member
There are many variations of satanism today. Even  some Satanist are at war with their brothers and sisters. Makes no sense. But I've learned to accept the fact that peace..will never be achieved..and that goes with this world in general.  Some people HAVE to be right all of the time..from my general observation it seems we have an uprising  of elitist satanic groups. Those who believe modern satanism is a joke. There are some today that believe in only a few things the father of satanism conjured into the world. I've stumbled upon this website over five years ago. Found it rather unique. Before I took up a membership I read all sorts of articles books etc. I've found many sites but none were suitable for me. After reading the satanic bible for the first time I smiled. No book to this day had touched base on so many questions I had growing up. HELL! I even put into practice teachings I didn't know existed until I read the workings of Anton just by simply feeding the animal within!  I will always and forever be a member of SIN, and I will forever be a Satanist!  
Obscura TITS
Obscura Apr 7 '18
I want to learn more about exerting Ego and intention, and honestly just stop being such a pushover and grow a spine.  Society conditions women to be nice, subservient, agreeable, delicate flowers.  Satan teaches me to fucking grow a pair and take my ascension into my own hands.  Also to turn my poison into venom.  Spent a good while staring into the eyes of the cobra and realize it was either eat, be eaten, or learn to fucking photosynthesize.
Tiamat
Tiamat Apr 7 '18
Beautiful juerney...knowledge...enigma
LuciferCrow
LuciferCrow Apr 7 '18
MMy goals? As a magician, I go with the cycles of nature.  I follow my heart and wwhat is tangible.  My mind, on the otherhand, is another story.  I leave it open to the "unknown" and the flesh. 
Troll Member
Troll Jun 16 '18

RE the OP: Networking, outreach, consortium, building the revolutionary reply to subversion ideology, putting an end to moral panics once and for all, walking the Left-Hand Path online and off, and celebrating life. learning about Satanism and becoming aware of where my Satanism is going is an adventure. I had no idea half the things which are happening would do so! I figure that the Satanic International Network will sink or swim based on the character of its moderation. Too loose or too tough and folks will flee.


Holding people to constant scrutiny is reasonable. Targetting those who are too close to the Christianity from which Satanism came is also understandable, since we can expect that there would be a constant, steady stream of those who are trying to make Satanism into the Christian character from which they departed when they weren't calling the shots.

Picking on people and harassing them is not only a sad waste of everyone's time, but demonstrates the worst aspect of reactionary movements (a kind of eddying self-mutilation on the order of snakes eating their own tails) which can be interrupted by those who care.


All Satanism that isn't self-destructive (say, by buying too heavily into the Christian lies or by self-dismantling with fascist obeisance) will assist the cause of personal development and disrupting institutional scaremongering. If it is here, great! If it is over at the Cult of Cthulhu, or the Modern Church of Satan site, or the600club, great! Have at it! The more the merrier.

The Forum post is edited by Troll Jun 16 '18
Don Luciferi
Don Luciferi Jun 27 '18
I don't have any goals. Satanism means to me a realisation of who I am and I apply the rituals to be my own god. 
Albert Resigned
Albert Jun 27 '18


Quote from Don Luciferi Satanism means to me a realisation of who I am...

This is goofy and generic. Self-Realization isn't satanic. It's been around for ages, and is an element of many goofy religions and cults, none of which are satanic. For example: https://www.yogananda-srf.org/


If Self-Realization is the endeavor, then there are only two typical end conclusions: 1) Purusha or 2) Anatta


Being your "Own God" also isn't satanic or left hand. It's been done before, before LaVey:


"He was also a member of the Nation of Islam. He left the Nation of Islam because he did not accept its leader, Wallace Muhammad as his god.  Clarence 13x preferred to be his own god instead. Therefore the idea is to be in control of yourself – to be your own god." -- http://blog.freddywill.com/...ercenters-pt-2/ ;

The Forum post is edited by Albert Jun 27 '18
Don Luciferi
Don Luciferi Jun 27 '18
Quote from Albert

Self-Realization isn't satanic. It's been around for ages, and is an element of many goofy religions and cults, none of which are satanic. For example: https://www.yogananda-srf.org/


I don't say self-realisation is satanic. I say Satanism means to me self-realisation of who I am. 
Don Luciferi
Don Luciferi Jun 27 '18
Quote from Albert

Being your "Own God" also isn't satanic or left hand. It's been done before, before LaVey:



I don't say being your own god is satanic. I say that I apply the rituals of Satanism to be my own god. No one claims that the left hand path was made by LaVey. 
The Forum post is edited by Don Luciferi Jun 27 '18
Albert Resigned
Albert Jun 27 '18


Quote from Don Luciferi Satanism means to me a realisation of who I am and I apply the rituals to be my own god. 


Nothing about what Satanism means to you is original. It's a generic, meaningless, platitude that's been over played for a thousand years. 

Don Luciferi
Don Luciferi Jun 27 '18

Quote from Albert

Nothing about what Satanism means to you is original. It's a generic, meaningless, platitude that's been over played for a thousand years. 


Nothing is original because we all influences each others to some degree as man is a social creature. The statement born and not made is a traditional statement but it's based on the fact that LaVey hold up the character of Satan as a mirror some people could see themselves reflected in.


AK
AK Jun 27 '18

What our handsome negroid friend is getting at is that, point blank, your reasoning on paper is evasive and vacuous. 

For instance, you will often lead with "I don't say___"  to a point which is rather clear and easy enough to decipher even for someone whose first language is not English.

Anyone with eyes can read that you indeed did not say "Self-realization" is satanic. This is superfluous. Also, you did not originally say "Satanism means to me self-realization of who I am" either. There are a million things you didn't say. We can harp on that tired refrain all day without saying much. The point still stands: lots of isms aim toward the realization of the nature of self - or even lack of self in some cases - whereby to miss that aim is to sin. They also aim toward self-realization in the self-actualizing sense of the phrase. This is so ubiquitous that one could just as easily replace the word Satanism with literally any ism they so choose while encoding the exact same scant-to-nil amount of information regarding what it is that they do mean by the word. 


Here is an example of a substantive Satanism:


As Satan is ascribed to that which leads man astray via his fleshly needs, wants and desires - contemptuous of the very notion that man could possibly have, much less deserves, a divine nature, Satanism, rejecting all notions of the spiritual - especially man's spiritual nature - asserts that the entirety of man's thoughts, hopes, dreams, and fears are products of his carnal brain. Correspondingly, it insists that self-realization is to be found solely within the feminine prakriti. Man is his corporeal form. Just another animal. Nothing more. Purusha: just an emergent illusion. This reconciles nicely with both Tantric and Qabalistic meanings of the phrase "Left Hand Path" - that there is and will be no liberation save but within the flesh when returned forever to the earth (mother/womb/etc) from whence it came. That moksha is, as are all things spiritual - including one's own immortal soul - a lie. A fantasy. A delusion. Hence, the clash of theists vs non-theistic Satanists. Theism rests squarely on every premise Satanism denies. The two are flatly incompatible. To practice Satanism, the very notion of spiritual beings must be discarded. Befitting the orobus symbology: this includes the very notion of a spiritual Satan. This resonates well enough with atheism, except, at least I prefer to think, that the only thing that separates an epicurean atheist from a Satanist is that it occurs quite plainly to the Satanist that they are making a decision to turn away from the spiritual. Acknowledging the possibility, but soberly rejecting it; abiding in a sort of inverse faith which doubt sustains. 

The Forum post is edited by AK Jun 27 '18
Albert Resigned
Albert Jun 27 '18

Quote from AK

What our handsome negroid friend is getting at is that, point blank, your reasoning on paper is evasive and vacuous. 

For instance, you will often lead with "I don't say___"  to a point which is rather clear and easy enough to decipher even for someone whose first language is not English.

Anyone with eyes can read that you indeed did not say "Self-realization" is satanic. This is superfluous. Also, you did not originally say "Satanism means to me self-realization of who I am" either. There are million things you didn't say. We can harp on that tired refrain all day. The point still stands: lots of isms aim toward the realization of the nature of self - or even lack of self in some cases - whereby to miss that aim is to sin. They also aim toward self-realization in the self-actualizing sense of the phrase. This is so ubiquitous that one could just as easily replace the word Satanism with literally any ism they so choose while encoding the exact same scant-to-nil amount of information regarding what it is that do mean by the word. 


Here is an example of a substantive Satanism:


As Satan is ascribed to that which leads man astray via his fleshly needs, wants and desires - contemptuous of the very notion that man could possibly have, much less deserves, a divine nature, Satanism, rejecting all notions of the spiritual - especially man's spiritual nature - asserts that the entirety of man's thoughts, hopes, dreams, and fears are products of his carnal brain. Correspondingly, it insists that self-realization is to be found solely within the feminine prakriti. Man is his corporeal form. Just another animal. Nothing more. Purusha: just an emergent illusion. This reconciles nicely with both Tantric and Qabalistic meanings of the phrase "Left Hand Path" - that there is and will be no liberation save but within the flesh when returned to the forever the earth from whence it came. That moksha is, as are all things spiritual - including one's own immortal soul - a lie. A fantasy. A delusion. Hence, the clash of theists vs non-theistic Satanists. Theism rests squarely on every premise Satanism denies. The two are flatly incompatible. To practice Satanism, the very notion of spiritual beings must be discarded. Befitting the orobus symbology: this includes the very notion of a spiritual Satan. This resonates well enough with atheism, except, at least I prefer to think, that the only thing that separates an epicurean atheist from a Satanist is that it occurs quite plainly to the Satanist that they are making a decision to turn away from the spiritual. Acknowledging the possibility, but soberly rejecting it; abiding in a sort of inverse faith which doubt sustains. 



LOL: handsome "negroid!"


Thank you AK. At least you understand me! 

Don Luciferi
Don Luciferi Jun 28 '18
AK would you please speak in a more normal level of language? I'm a little tied of looking up the dictionary all the time and english is not my first language. What is your point in normal english speaking language?
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