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Dark Enlightenment Oct 20 '21

Sinistard: What's this? The ONA? 


Feds: Yeah, we dare you to take this seriously and start a sinister nexion. Come on do it! Nevermind The Patriot Act and the definition of a terrorism cell, it doesn't apply here, you can totally start an inherently antisemitic gang and try to subvert our mundanity.  And we absolutely swear it's not an indirect Manchurian Candidate Blogger factory! Totally safe. No ulterior motives at all. 


Sinistard: This speaks to me cuz I'm a white boy from the suburbs with a conservative religious upbringing. I don't want to emulate black culture, but I still wanna be bad ass. I want EVERYONE to know I've broken free of their rules. And I feel if I start doing sinister deeds I will prove my sinister credentials and clear myself of slave morality in the process. I can become the ubermensche by virtue of clearing The street of disease spreading homeless addicts. And if I get caught, I will have incontrovertible proof of my contempt for society and the parts I find contradictory to the new Aeon.


Feds: Why thank you, we will be using that in the name of cultural gentrification now. And thanks for leading us to other people to put on a watch list. Doing our work for us ONA! 


* Sorry, My Tulpa made me write that. That's what it thinks it's all about. It's usually wrong. 



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Cornelius Coburn
Cornelius Coburn Oct 20 '21
I'm only in it for the literary aesthetics, and Hermetics.
Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Oct 20 '21
Humorously, much of the ethos is strikingly similar to that of federal agencies, at least the base principles. 


The concepts of kindred honor and insight roles most notably. Line up the words on the floor at CIA headquarters with much of nobility and honor related writings. Integrity, Honor, Character, Courage. Slight parallel there. 


Plus I could think of no better test of personal limits than taking on an ideology you loathe and gaining intelligence under the penalty of beheading or lynching. Imagine the fire hardened superman being pushed around if ever compromised. All that kindred honor comes back and keeps its mouth shut even under torture. And that's also my Tulpa's opinion. 


I think if you really want to push yourself ONA style better to go enlist in the military and be infantry. And then you can kill oppressive sharia law sand people and misland helicopters and shit (They'll go back to Hajiland eventually). Similar ethos at its base, only it doesnt assimilate like the borg right into the penal system to prove it's sinister. 


But yeah, there are gems in every antique store. 

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Phil_Lopian
Phil_Lopian Oct 20 '21

Quote from Dark Enlightenment


* Sorry, My Tulpa made me write that. That's what it thinks it's all about. It's usually wrong. 



Quote from Dark EnlightenmentAnd that's also my Tulpa's opinion. 

I can appreciate your Tulpa's views, opinions, and remarks. There is nothing to apologize about. 


There was a time when people Criticized me at the 600 Club for writing one liners. And a time when people in Satanic forums laughed at me and criticized my writings. I took everything critically said as Constructive Criticism and I would work very hard on changing and developing myself.


After 13 years of being around o9a and constantly writing non-stop for over a decade, I can honestly say from experience that I have never learned to further develop myself from people who were nice to me, who were afraid to criticize me. Its the people who were critical in their views and opinion. 


And its the same way with me and o9a. I have a slightly different perspective of o9a than the "average o9a person." Analogously similar perhaps to maybe how Goebbels may have had a slightly different perspective of the National Socialist Party than the "average German Nazi Party member/supporter." 


I took criticism various people had of o9a as Constructive Criticism, and then I would use what connections I had to change o9a slowly and gradually. ONA doesn't develop to be "better" because of Yes-Men, head-nodders, and those who have been ideologically brainwashed by it. That's me just being honest. And so I can appreciate your Tulpa's remarks.


But not everyone is intelligent, and so not everyone can produce intelligent criticism of a person or a group. And so not every critical remark is intelligently meaningful or - rarely - bearing Wisdom. Form the many years of me being here, I consider you to be a very intelligent person.


I was thinking of similar things - regarding feds and agents and honeypots - when I wrote that Q & A over at o9a dot org. But there are sometimes things I shouldn't say in public, at certain times, in such a highly public o9a site. 


I was trying to allude - enigmatically - to what I wanted to say when I said: "I see nothing wrong with what has happened, with whatever parties may be involved, be they in or out of o9a."


What I was trying to allude to was that in old manuscripts of o9a written by Anton Long, it explains how an ONA initiate puts together a "Temple," [the word "temple" was the old o9a-speak for what we today call a "nexion"]. In that manuscript it is explained in plain and simple English that with such temples/nexions there are only two actual o9a members: the priest and priestess. Everyone else are not o9a and are being duped and/or manipulated for the ends and benefit of the priest and priestess.  


This is the Pattern of Conduct that David Myatt did with David Copeland, where Myatt used nazi ideology to dupe and manipulate Copeland to "do some dirty work." Copeland eventually became known as the London Nail Bomber. 


And so, because of how o9a and Anton Long itself teaches how a temple/nexion is put together, what its purpose is: what the Feds have done - allegedly - follows the same Pattern of Conduct as expounded by that o9a manuscript: you have an individual or set of individuals who duped and manipulated several people who believed they were o9a to do dirty work. The same Pattern of Conduct was followed by the Tempel ov Blood allegedly where its priest and priestess influenced and manipulated some people to do dirty work. 


And so, therefore, I said in that Q & A that "in o9a there are two types of people: those that use o9a and those that are used." 


And so, I see nothing wrong if the Feds or British agents use o9a to dupe and manipulate people: because according to o9a teachings/MSS they are doing what o9a teaches that you are supposed to be doing. 


I think we are intelligent enough to understand that if we line up the several Jihadis who blow themselves up, with people like Copeland, with people who commit extreme acts because of fanaticism that we will get a generally similar profile of an individual who is not all emotional and/or mentally stable. Fanaticism - also called Hyperreligiosity - is a mental illness/disturbance. 


No sane person would firstly believe that Jesus is real and secondly sell all their belongings because they believe Jesus is coming. Likewise, no sane person who believes in the sanctity of human life to the point where they believe that a zygote is a human being would murder abortion doctors to try to stop abortion because the abortion doctor was himself a living human person. 


People who are naturally manipulators - especially those with natural social skills - have a natural, almost unconscious ability to recognize someone who can be manipulated. It's the essence of Politics and Religion itself and is the ultimate sinister game. The mass, the stupid, the mentally impaired, are duped and manipulated to serve the ends and benefit of Priestcraft and Policycraft. You just need to figure out their "tickle buttons" meaning what tickles their fancy. 


I've also, like you, noticed that ONA shares a lot in common with intelligence agencies. I speculate that this is due to David Myatt being exposed to intelligence and secret operations such as NATO's Gladio Stay At Home Network [ LINK ]. Unfortunately, many people who get into o9a have a religious mentality, where they treat o9a as a religion, and not as an individualistic path of self-development, and a school of "sinister operatives."   

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Cornelius Coburn
Cornelius Coburn Oct 20 '21
C is really good at what she does.
Cornelius Coburn
Cornelius Coburn Oct 20 '21
It's funny. I was just thinkin'. She's more like an 'A' than a 'C'.
Phil_Lopian
Phil_Lopian Oct 20 '21
The only thing I got "A's" on in school was English class. I got B's in math. Everything else I got C's. But when I do homework for my friends in any subject, they got A's. 
Infernal Acumen Member
Infernal Acumen Oct 21 '21
TO ALL WHO ADDRESSED ME:

I have already overcome the hurdles I need to in order to believe. I have found solutions to the problems I have had with the metaphysical. This was a 5 year stint of studying just to answer the questions I had in order to pull me from general atheism to a form of animism and spirituality. Please note, 5 years for me is longer for most others. (I am retired so I don't have to work. All my time is dedicated to my religious beliefs)


If you have a particular issue which arises preventing your belief, that is a problem you must be able to overcome to warrant your belief. I can't address whatever hindrance you have which is preventing belief because I do not have the same issue. For this reason, I wouldn't know how to address the issue that I don't have.


This is why it is LHP. It is individualistic as we all have our own stumbling blocks standing in our way. 

Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Oct 21 '21

Quote from Phil_Lopian The only thing I got "A's" on in school was English class. I got B's in math. Everything else I got C's. But when I do homework for my friends in any subject, they got A's. 
I could have, but I didn't want to.  And it would have been really easy too. Public school isn't exactly the toughest. I remember 2nd grade was awesome. The teacher accelerated the shit out of me. So I got to read Readers Digest and generally have my own curriculum. 


And then my 3rd grade teacher killed that entirely. 

She would say, "In 3rd grade you do 3rd grade work" or "I'm not your second grade teacher".  And then I went to war with her over everything, particularly the standing for the pledge of allegiance.


I gotta say, it was at an age that permanently soured me to teachers. They were never a friend again. Always the bitch that wouldn't let me do a book report on Michael Crichton because that's not a 3rd grade school book.


My early life with teachers and grades taught me that school wasn't fair and was trying to force you into a mold rather than teach you. Even at the age of 9. By 7th that was an aversion to living up to my potential mostly to defy expectations placed on my intelligence. And it never really left. 


I learned the ancient system of; Fuck off during class, 50% of the homework, and annihilate every test by doing the test reviews the night before.  A solid 2.5 average. 



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Infernal Acumen Member
Infernal Acumen Oct 21 '21

I assert there are five phases associated with belief. The five phases are as follow: ignorance, idea, knowledge, experience, and being. Some of these phases are comprised of micro-phases termed ‘levels’. Each phase raises the power of evidence, to build extra length onto the philosophical ladder permitting the individual to reach greater heights to overcome obstacles for the individual who is subject to the IEP (Idea, event, or proposal) which is an ambiguous concept being tested by the individual for belief purposes. The IEP is an ambiguous concept that is the ‘subject’ being tested for belief. The subject is the IEP being tested as an equivalent to being a ‘philosophical wall’ blocking an individual from belief. The IEP is the subject of processing through this belief model attempting to build a ‘warrant’, which is the ability of an individual to perform a task. In the case of belief, the warrant is the ability to believe. This warrant may be executed for belief with ‘evidence’. The evidence used to execute the warrant is the philosophical ladder; the tool required to overcome the presence of a tall obstacle. This evidence must accurately measure to the ‘standard of evidence’, the height of the philosophical ladder, to compel belief to allow the individual to believe, jump over an obstacle, the subject thus causing the individual to accept the IEP. Doing so permits belief to exist in regards to the IEP of study.


Consider what your wall is, the height of that wall, and the amount of evidence you require based upon what you will accept. Once this evaluation is completed, you'll be compelled to believe against your will on the subject at hand.


Anna
Anna Oct 21 '21

Quote from Dark Enlightenment
Quote from Phil_Lopian The only thing I got "A's" on in school was English class. I got B's in math. Everything else I got C's. But when I do homework for my friends in any subject, they got A's. 
I could have, but I didn't want to.  And it would have been really easy too. Public school isn't exactly the toughest. I remember 2nd grade was awesome. The teacher accelerated the shit out of me. So I got to read Readers Digest and generally have my own curriculum. 


And then my 3rd grade teacher killed that entirely. 

She would say, "In 3rd grade you do 3rd grade work" or "I'm not your second grade teacher".  And then I went to war with her over everything, particularly the standing for the pledge of allegiance.


I gotta say, it was at an age that permanently soured me to teachers. They were never a friend again. Always the bitch that wouldn't let me do a book report on Michael Crichton because that's not a 3rd grade school book.


My early life with teachers and grades taught me that school wasn't fair and was trying to force you into a mold rather than teach you. Even at the age of 9. By 7th that was an aversion to living up to my potential mostly to defy expectations placed on my intelligence. And it never really left. 


I learned the ancient system of; Fuck off during class, 50% of the homework, and annihilate every test by doing the test reviews the night before.  A solid 2.5 average. 




I will help your agenda...


Contrary to you, I was a teachers' pet. I always had good marks. Partly, due to the parental pressure and, partly, because I liked studying. I even like learning and reading now though I have much less time. The best part of education is the university because you can study the stuff you're most interested in and you're treated like an adult. On the other hand, I don't think education goes hand in hand with intelligence. You don't have to attend the academy to be intelligent, neither does it really prepare you for work. The point is that studying is enjoyable, perhaps, not for all. But I still feel nostalgia for the time spent at the Warsaw university. The social life and friendships that come with it are also important. It was one of the best times in my life.


Perhaps, this is the reason why I've been so fond of all those voluminous ONA manuscripts and pedantic debates with the sinister VIPs. It all reminds me of the good old times when I was a bookworm in my early twenties.

Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Oct 21 '21
That sounds like my Sister. She was the oldest so she got the tougher pressure. 


The culmination of her 4.1 high school GPA (with AP classes), a tuition waiver scholoship to a major accredited university, and graduating Summa Com Laude (top of her department) was my mother saying, "Why aren't you going for your Masters? You're graduating first in your class!"


It was like a ZONK there was no congratulations for 1st in her class. Just "why aren't you taking advantage of your this?"  


And we weren't even Jewish or Asian.  


As that was happening I was fighting my mom on a GED. I withdrew with 2.5 credits until graduation on my 18th birthday as a gift to myself. I eventually did it, but so I could still have some "fuck you" I took acid the night before and was still tripping a bit when I took the entire exam in a 5 hour block of time. 


That was so I could at least say, "I did what you want, but I did it on acid." I fucking bombed it and got 89th percentile. 77th percentile on the writing section, which was a god-awful score for someone that got 1490 on the PSAT.  I took that in 9th grade, this was about the time I decided I didn't want to go to school anymore. Doing acid at school was my thing by that point. It was the opposite effect of your parental pressure. Another brick in the wall that stood against taking directions from authority figures, at least for me

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Cornelius Coburn
Cornelius Coburn Oct 21 '21
I have a terrible academic history. My attendance was sporadic from 6th grade on until I dropped out in 10th because I just didn't want to go anymore, and the old man didn't make me. My attendance was so poor and I relocated often, so they wouldn't even know where to put me without some sort of placement test. Grades 6, 7, 8 were incomplete, finished 9th and dropped out in 10th.


Of course like many drop-outs I collected my GED when the time came. I remember study and spending a lot of time on Geometry for some reason. Another test to get into a university and remember being placed in Algebra I.


None of it mattered. When local ISPs were asking about CGI(Common Gateway Interface), e.g. HTML forms, scripting, and programming executables. I just bought the books and a developer studio featuring a C++ compiler and learned in a hurry since I already said that I was a programmer. My friend said I was in over my head, but I got a lot of work and made a lot of money when I was doing it.

Cornelius Coburn
Cornelius Coburn Oct 22 '21

"I assert there are five phases associated with belief."


When you "assert", you make an "ass" out of 'you' and "ert".

Anna
Anna Oct 22 '21

Quote from Cornelius Coburn

"I assert there are five phases associated with belief."


When you "assert", you make an "ass" out of 'you' and "ert".


What's so funny is that he really thinks that if he starts using Caps Lock or larger font, people will pay more attention to his mambo jambo.

Phil_Lopian
Phil_Lopian Oct 22 '21
An "assertion" simply means that a person - such as that pretentious ass clown Infernal Anus - is making a Claim and is pushing his beliefs and convictions, but 1) lacks the ability to explain such beliefs and convictions & 2) lacks the ability to produce proof/evidence to back up such beliefs and convictions. 


His cop-out argument is basically: "I don't need proof. If you do it's your problem. Therefore I'm right."


The problem with making too many assertions is that, after a while of not backing up Bald Assertions, people will end up ignoring you. 

Cornelius Coburn
Cornelius Coburn Oct 22 '21
He runs on assumption like America runs on Dunkin.
Cornelius Coburn
Cornelius Coburn Oct 22 '21
Welcome to the point of know(no) return; enjoy the fall.

 


Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Oct 22 '21
See, I'm not so certain. 


It's slightly off. I would think a person that pretentious would be aware not to look more pretentious. It's just really really over the top to do that response and be serious. 


It could equally be a smart troll saying, "I know, I'll put it in slightly bigger text this time in a way that cries why isn't anyone paying attention to me?"  


But I think every one is a sock, so let's dissect the words themselves. 


 I assert there are five phases associated with belief. The five phases are as follow: ignorance, idea, knowledge, experience, and being. Some of these phases are comprised of micro-phases termed ‘levels’. Each phase raises the power of evidence, to build extra length onto the philosophical ladder permitting the individual to reach greater heights to overcome obstacles for the individual who is subject to the IEP (Idea, event, or proposal) which is an ambiguous concept being tested by the individual for belief purposes


This is more pseudointellectual than a Christopher Nolan movie.  A little more articulate and it could speak in The Four Points Sheraton Event Center the 2nd Saturday of March. As of now it's too hazy to fully understand. 


He needs to really flesh out the 5 phases (with microphases) of gaining belief. Maybe add something catchy to it. I suggest converting the phases onto an acronym. Like instead of  using; ignorance, idea, knowledge, experience, and being: he could use; Ignorance Discernment Experience Actualization (IDEA). And if he liked it before he could drop one of the "I" words and go with; Ignorance, Knowledge, Experience, and Appropriation. (IKEA) He could then make it into a modular study program. Using "modules" instead of "phases". 


Just my thoughts.



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Phil_Lopian
Phil_Lopian Oct 22 '21

Quote from Dark Enlightenment See, I'm not so certain. 


It's slightly off. I would think a person that pretentious would be aware not to look more pretentious. It's just really really over the top to do that response and be serious. 


It could equally be a smart troll saying, "I know, I'll put it in slightly bigger text this time in a way that cries why isn't anyone paying attention to me?"  


But I think every one is a sock, so let's dissect the words themselves. 


 I assert there are five phases associated with belief. The five phases are as follow: ignorance, idea, knowledge, experience, and being. Some of these phases are comprised of micro-phases termed ‘levels’. Each phase raises the power of evidence, to build extra length onto the philosophical ladder permitting the individual to reach greater heights to overcome obstacles for the individual who is subject to the IEP (Idea, event, or proposal) which is an ambiguous concept being tested by the individual for belief purposes


This is more pseudointellectual than a Christopher Nolan movie.  A little more articulate and it could speak in The Four Points Sheraton Event Center the 2nd Saturday of March. As of now it's too hazy to fully understand. 


He needs to really flesh out the 5 phases (with microphases) of gaining belief. Maybe add something catchy to it. I suggest converting the phases onto an acronym. Like instead of  using; ignorance, idea, knowledge, experience, and being: he could use; Ignorance Discernment Experience Actualization (IDEA). And if he liked it before he could drop one of the "I" words and go with; Ignorance, Knowledge, Experience, and Appropriation. (IKEA) He could then make it into a modular study program. Using "modules" instead of "phases". 


Just my thoughts.




Now that you mention it, he could be a troll. Nobody is that stupid, I mean demons and exorcisms.


IKEGO: Ignorance, Knowledge, Experience, Gnosis, Omniscience. That's a better one. We begin with our state of Ignorance. Acquire Knowledge, from Experience. From our Experience we achieve a state of Gnosis. And after we have gained great amounts of Gnosis, we become Omniscient, knowing everything!


Ike Go, in Khmer also means Bullshit: Ike = "shit/excrement" & Go means "Cow."

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