Deprogramming from Christianity | Forum

So I use the ideas of imaginary entities to help me clear my mind of the ideas of imaginary entities.

Wait, the ritual seems redundant and extraneous. 

As the chains of Christianity are those of faith and suggested behavior, and even ironic faith and suggested behavior doesn't seem to work. 

It seems the faith in satanic ritual is an acknowledged parody and not capable of clearing anything because it's application lacks indoctrination to begin with. It's just to change ones own outlook and shit. Not applicable to religious indoctrination because it's just something you do AND NOT THE CENTERPIECE OF YOUR AUTONOMY. 

To me it seems you do all you can to discredit ritual and you are entitled to do that but I consider it to be childish...

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A problem also present within Satanism. 

People think in terms of "flippening the script". Aversion through inversion. It does not work. It is a rabbit hole straight down a septic tank. 

It is wise to do some searching yourself. To look what has rubbed you wrong and why it did. Some results may surprise you. 

To work it out implies to practice and gain experience firsthand. 

Only difference between my story and Baphomets, is I was upfront about  embracing the darkness instead of hiding it among the public eye.

I think Christianity is essentially a cult. I would characterize a cult in a few different ways. I think cults tend to:

1.     1.  Bring a group of people together and then isolate that group and exclude the rest of the world, so outsiders or the world or Others are seen as evil and to be avoided unless they sincerely convert to the cult

2.     2.  Try to gain confessions from followers in order to criticize and irreparably damage ones existing world view, in order to install the worldview supported and promoted by the cult i.e., this could be referred to as “brain washing”

3.     3.  They tend to drain the resources of an involved individual or group, and dominate a person or groups time

4.     4.  They judge and punish; they rebuke and condemn; they try to instill fear or demoralize or induce guilt.

I think the best thing to do when you are caught in any sort of cult is to get away ASAP and then deprogram and re-build your own sense of self and your own worldview by drawing your own conclusion about your own experience.  

I think that fundamentally you must say NO when they or someone tries to wipe your background beliefs about the world and self and tries to superimpose their own over the top of yours.

Be skeptical and develop your critical skills. Attack, attack, attack.

Sometimes the religious indoctrination on you can lie within your subconsciousness which makes you feel guilt, shame and fear without understanding why. If that's the case then you should do a satanic ritual dedicated to that devil archetype you identify yourself with. If Lucifer then do it for Lucifer and if Belial then do it for Belial and of course Satan if it's him you can identify yourself with. It does not matter whatever you actual believe devils are real beings or not It what the brings to the table of your ritual that matters.

@ Person who posted once and then stopped giving a shit. 

 Nevermind this comment. He thinks he's smart and has something intelligent to share, but he's kept around because he's so fun to make run in his wheel while simultaneously promoting other discussion. 

And because he ultimately has no self respect or ability to view himself objectively it allows his stupidity and ignorance to puppet him to our amusement and singlehandedly (and unintentionally) be responsible for the most "salacious" and active threads here. 

Pages and pages of making the hamster run. 

When you openly acknowledge you like to watch strangers get torn to shit by wild animals in a colosseum this is what you get.  

But no one makes him get played like Penguin's hell harp. And it  is only delusion that makes him still call it *laughs* "a will to power".

I require the following in any Satanic philosophy:

1. Demons only exist in the mind and are representations of the self.

2. Rituals only affect the practitioner, and only mentally.

Applying these two principles to Tom's philosophy would cut out only a fraction of what he says. The rest of what he says, which is the bulk of it, would remain intact, and could actually be useful.

Tom already allows for the possibility that demons may not exist in objective reality, and that rituals may only affect the practitioner, and only mentally. It's like he's agnostic, not atheist (speaking loosely). He could move all the way to "atheism" (speaking loosely) and the nuts and bolts of his philosophy would remain intact.

As for worship - If demons only exist in the mind and are representations of the self, then worship is actually directed at the self (which is what Tom keeps saying) and really is nothing more than a creative visualization and vocalization exercise to build self-esteem and self-confidence.

As for submission - I don't think Tom has ever advocated submission to Satan or any other demon. Submission to the self could be interpreted as nothing more than the principle of indulgence.

As for tribalism - There are ways this could be implemented that would be palatable to me. The devil is in the details. The motto of the Three Musketeers is a good rule of thumb: "One for all, and all for one." I could find it within myself to endure sacrifice or risk danger for a collective, if I was confident the collective would endure sacrifice or risk danger for me.

How about it, Tom? Are you willing to make the leap from (speaking loosely) "agnostic" to "atheist"?

Just in regard to Tom’s views. Tom spends a lot of time referring to “intellectual decompression.”

My understanding: that wording “intellectual decompression” comes from LaVeys’ TSB, and is actually an important part of ritual processes, as per LaVey. There is an “intellectual decompression chamber” and the process of ritualizing entails “intellectual decompression.”

Basically, I read “intellectual decompression” as a suspension of disbelief, or perhaps, more precisely, a suspension of rational skepticism and positivist claims based on empirical observation. Ritual then becomes an emotional process and the language you use, during ritual, points to something which can have an objective existence, in the context of the ritual chamber, when this “intellectual decompression” is in play. Satanic ritual, as per this viewpoint, is basically a re-enchanting of the world. This re-enchanting of the world takes place in the chamber; once outside the chamber, you just snap back into your skepticism and agnosticism. The ritual is done – you just let it go.

I think this is the important point when it comes to understanding this aspect of TSB: you embrace agnosticism and skepticism, because you want the magic to work and you can never be 100 percent sure you have a complete and accurate picture of reality, and moreover you tend to doubt anybody’s claim that they do have a completely accurate picture of reality.

My opinion: by all means: people who describe themselves as atheists can go into a ritual chamber and do rituals designed to bring catharsis, but “intellectual decompression” and the associated agnosticism and skepticism, which returns after the ritual, takes things a step further. You really are stepping into the unknown when you “intellectually decompress” and then ritualize.

"It changes your outlook" one might say. 

Then ritual catharsis is changing the frame of mind, right? It is psyching yourself into an "enchanted world" as Matthew said. So you want to project a confidence, stratify yourself, and use manipulation ("LBM") to manifest that will? Awesome. I do too. 

How the fuck does conjuring the likeness of an archetypal form assist in promoting anything without copy/paste RHP application of abstract false belief?

I've tried destruction rituals. All the cursing in the world can't make me feel better if I am deprived of direct retribution and a chance to retaliate. Eye for an eye. Not eye for the idea of an eye. If revenge is impossible I would just have to apply that serenity shit about things you can't change and move on because the psychodrama of a ritual would only make me angrier I can't really get them back.

Or say one lacks confidence and fears failure or rejection. They want their "method of attainment" to fix it. Wouldn't a better way to overcome that simply be to push yourself past the mental block through direct action against one's own defects. E.g. put yourself in a position to be rejected and fail. You can chant and believe all you want but a fear faced abstractly is a fear covered with spackle. 

I see two distinct methods of attainment demonstrated. 

LHP and RHP has nothing to do with reason vs superstition. They are both religious philosophies that origins in hinduism. Satanism is only one of many wheels of the LHP. 

For demonstration purposes I want you to respond to the next time someone calls you an idiot by not engaging them and instead doing an "occult ritual" and tell me if it works better than responding directly to the comment. Tell me if psychodrama is enough next time you get banned. 

And also this: 

LHP and RHP has nothing to do with reason vs superstition.

From someone who can't identify LHP if their life LITERALLY depended on it this is non-statement.  Not saying you're not, just saying you can't identify it.  

Like for example what is the most "LHP" thing that Danish Lawyer does? 

Answer: Person doesn't like the castrated PC culture that tiptoes around to be sensitive.  A trend of "status quo" (which is NECESSARY TO LHP PRAXIS) is liberal skipping and holding hands. So they piss off a bunch of Muslims with insensitive inciting comments and gets kicked out of Sweden for two months. 

If you were going to contemplate your attachment to suffering the status quo, or come to realize its artificiality is not worth reacting to for everything, you'd be a fucking Buddhist.  

Where's the personification of the firey sword/opposer in realizing your reaction to the nomian is a defect of cultural indoctrination.  Like your supposed to admonish yourself for getting pissed and trangressing something about the status quo that bugs you.  Isn't the entire Satan parable about getting a hair up your ass about some arbitrary double standard or dictate? 

Come on.

**** LAST ATTEMPT ***

*** What would you say the "LHP" reason for your MGTOW-like shit is? 

Answer: You see society as becoming emasculated by womenfolk and you want to incite those doing it by saying, "Women are defective creatures that can be replaced by dolls". 

Was the motivation for that not rooted in a incitement of the status quo? 

Did  you need a fucking ritual to do that part of your Satanism? 

Ritual is FUCKING EXTRANEOUS!

Quote from Zarthustra's Ape's Ape 

Quote from Dark Enlightenment

*** What would you say the "LHP" reason for your MGTOW-like shit is? 

Answer: You see society as becoming emasculated by womenfolk and you want to incite those doing it by saying, "Women are defective creatures that can be replaced by dolls". 

It's more about the false rape and sexual harassment allegations. My purpose in life is to important to dealt with that crab. To replace women with dolls can be necessary because we as human beings are animals who wants to mate.

Quote from Dark Enlightenment

Like for example what is the most "LHP" thing that Danish Lawyer does? 

Paludan is RHP because there is a cause or ideal above himself.